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John Tornabene
02-27-2009, 02:09 AM
This should be a top priority!! People in power will have to try harder to get along and maybe bend a little at times instead of holding there ground for what some others cencieve to be an unpopular position. Its so Counter productive and downright hurtfull to an org when guys start resigning over a difference of agreements. There should be more mediation where needs be to keep these "Star" type guys and gals from just saying they resign. I understand these are all most volunteering positions and I'm sure a majority of the people would love to see these people having a paid position but since this org is nowhere near that point yet, other options and choices should be made without ones taking the easier road which is to leave your position in haste. I've seen a quite of bit of that in my past org life and it almost always hurt the org this happened to.

So just a small peice of advice from an ex exec. Board Member who did finish his term but barely---Try to be more understanding and also try a better democratic approach with some problem solving. Take a step back to chill when you feel you may overeact to whats being discuss at the immediate moment.

Give the UAMCC people and its members the very best of what you have to offer since you guys so far are the chosen ones. If at all fails and You do resign as always you will be mostly missed and the UAMCC itself will also take a small hit because it will lose good guys and gals along the way and that is very counter productive at most times. One more thing if there was an agreement in place than those agreements should be honored and then go from there on what you want to possibly do with those agreements that you don't like. There has to be steps to go thru and one of them is not to resign because they say a "Winner never quits and a Quitter never wins" so try at all cost to rectify or at least compromised at whatever your disagreement is because the "Commoner" member hates to see some stars go. Just think about this and no this is not directed at any one person. Its just an experience that I went thru in the past and that org. lost probably at least 80% of its members because others would not listen or compromised and this is a deadly combo.

Jim Chesmore
02-27-2009, 11:07 AM
I disagree.

The guys that came together to build this org. have set the rules, if you don't like them, they will listen but you are always free to leave. They understand that they need to be flexible BUT

- Without rules there cannot be focus on goals

- If the rules are being changed every time someone wanted something different there will not be any stability within the org. and the org. will fail

- Any org needs to have a solid foundation in order to grow but you need to balance stability with flexibility and only act when/if it benefits the end goal

- Failure is NOT an option

Russ Spence
02-27-2009, 11:47 AM
In some ways you are both right but I feel John T is more on track.

Just an oponion but John has seen way more than most or in most cases any will ever see. He has witnessed first hand the troubles that can go on within an org.

I for one do understand, as an administrator of a busy forum, it is difficult not to react when you feel challenged or mistreated by someone, it is by far the most thankless job in the world.

In addition to time spent on the board I have twice as much if not more time on the phone discussing issues that 99% will never see or ever hear about, 1 - making things better 2- how to? 3- should we? 4 - can we? 5- What will be the outcome if ? .............. and the list goes on. Oh dont forget the dreaded "what are we going to do about him or her"?

I cant imagine the problem with a new org. but personally I would not put myself under the microscope on that one, wow have I heard some rumors! Most I dont even pay attention to but I and we hear them just the same. Oh and the conspiracy theories too!

Anyway, yes John I agree with you on this one for the most part, no matter how tough it is sometimes you just have to let somethings work themselves out, rules are fine but I dont like rules either, I like guidelines and everyone should follow them.

I have pointed out a few here in the last couple of days just to prove a point, When some post everyone is almost everyone is waiting on them to post and they find things wrong rather quickly, when some others post, lets just say some that dont get as much attention, they go un noticed. Heck I even saw some of the TT members posting in the threads and never noticed the self promotions going on that they were commenting on.

My point is we all put ourselves in situations and under scrutany from time to time, if so thats our choice, it is how we handle it that will define the outcome.

Jeff LeCours
02-27-2009, 02:30 PM
Some really really good comments here. Russ spence says he never would have put himself in this position...Smart Guy!

Agendas, Stars, Personalities. I just dont put to much into that stuff. I can say I am pretty proud of what we are doing and what past & present team members have put together. Is it perfect? NO. But we arent here to make it perfect:rolleyes:. as I have said before we are just putting down a base. We on the team don't have all the answers, thats why I can't wait to this thing launches, then all the contractors can get really involved. Man we go over things and we argue, we agree and disagree at times, but we try to come to a consensus. I have said things that i have meant and said things I wished I hadnt to team members and others . I'm a pretty straight forward guy. I'll fight or do what I think is right for the org. I have come up with some good stuff and I have dropped some useless stuff as all the team has. I will say we deserve some of the critsism we have got and some we dont deserve, but it was expected and I thank those who have said we are doing a good job. I also want to say we are going to keep rockin & rolling and brring this to you all, the contractors....Its coming

You know two years ago if you said I would join a PW org, I would of said maybe, whats in it for me? If you said I would join a team trying to put one together I would of laughed and said no way..
I was asked to come onto the team to help and at first i was going to say no. I thought for a while and then I asked my wife Lisa what she thought. she went on to say do you think its a good idea and do you trust who's asking? I said ya I just dont know if I want to get involved myself. She brought up all the calls I get from contractors and trying to help with their questions, she brought up the RT we did, she brought up with the time spent on the computer. She said you get into this stuff, you like to help and if I think its a good idea go for it. Got to love a good lady. She gets mad at me with some of the time I spend on the phone and computer but she supports me all the time, except when i wake the kids up LOL
So I got involved and now I am happy I did. Guys good and bad we got a good base down, You all who join are going to make it much better it will be so cool to get contractors from the BB's and some of the thousands of other contractors that who have never gone on the BB's to join and build this thing into a true national org that promotes the industry and helps put money into contractors pockets

The other day I was just having a bad day and she was too, we argued a little, then we later went to bed. She asked me about some of the calls and said sometimes some of these calls just sound like a bunch of little gils and she's right. she asked how the org thing is going. I went on and talked about the bennies, talked about the website, I talked about some of my ideas and the Wash With Us charity stuff I am thinking about doing, I talked about Round tables past and in the future,I talked about how we really need a org that promotes ourselves to the consumers on and on for about a half hours. Lisa started to get tired and as sweet as can be she said "shutup" LOL. She told me I dont have to sell her, do what you think is right. I kissed her and went to sleep

Well I'm babbling again. I have good common sense most of the time. I just want to say to all out here that I trust we are doing a good thing, . I just say be open minded and if you think its a good thing when we launch or you think it could be better, get involved and help make this a true org for contractors. Man we can use the help but I can say we are doing a GOOD JOB and I am looking forward to the future of the UAMCC. I love this industry and its been good to me and many others. You all have a great day:clap:

James Foley
02-27-2009, 03:50 PM
I think Dr Phil is going to have a Show on Organization Start Ups ? Pro's and Con's, dealing with personality defects and Ego envy ! LOL......

Jeff LeCours
02-27-2009, 04:14 PM
i think dr phil is going to have a show on organization start ups ? Pro's and con's, dealing with personality defects and ego envy ! Lol......


lol lol lol lol

Gary Schell
02-27-2009, 04:45 PM
John, the biggest thing MISSING IN ALL OF THIS, is R E S P E C T, very few show it to those that can do the job, nor do those show it to those who can do the job more cost effectively

OrlandoRoofCleaners.com
02-27-2009, 05:39 PM
A little "feel good" music to lighten the mood.....c'mon everyone, let's form a virtual circle and hold virtual hands and enjoy some karaoke!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wRLciYdedzU

Thank you.

Mathew Johnson
02-27-2009, 06:04 PM
LOL, I can to believe I actually watched the video. Thanks for the entertainment.

Jeff LeCours
02-27-2009, 06:05 PM
A little "feel good" music to lighten the mood.....c'mon everyone, let's form a virtual circle and hold virtual hands and enjoy some karaoke!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wRLciYdedzU

Thank you.


OK OK, no more post with Jeff & Lisa in it

Man can you imagine having to listen to that song for hours. Isnt that how they torture prisoners

topcoat
02-27-2009, 07:08 PM
My 3 year old son loves the Wonderpets and sings their song: "Whats gonna work? Teeeaaaamwork!"

Teamwork "a joint action by 2 or more people' or a group, in which each person subordinates his or her individual interests and opinions to the unity and efficiency of the group."
This does not mean that the individual is no longer important; however, it does mean that effective and efficient teamwork goes beyond individual accomplishments. The most effective teamwork is produced when all the individuals involved harmonize their contributions and work towards a common goal.
In order for teamwork to succeed one must be a teamplayer. A teamplayer is one who subordinates personal aspirations and works in a coordinated effort with other members of a group, or team, in striving for a common goal. Businesses and other organizations often go to the effort of coordinating team building events in an attempt to get people to work as a team rather than as individuals. (wikipedia)

I think the part about individual interests is what some of us ought to reflect on.

topcoat
02-27-2009, 07:18 PM
Wonder Pets! is an exciting new Nick Jr. show for preschoolers. Each episode follows the adventures of three classroom pets--Linny the Guinea Pig, Ming-Ming Duckling, and Turtle Tuck--who travel around the globe helping to rescue animals who need their help.

Like real preschoolers, these three unlikely heroes don't have any actual super powers, but by working together they can conquer any obstacle: "What's gonna work? Teamwork!"

By the same token, Carlos, Ken, Michael, Jeff, Rob, David, and Scott M don't have super powers. Scott S and Terry M didnt either. But together they are able to make things happen.

Mathew Johnson
02-27-2009, 07:24 PM
Wonder Pets! is an exciting new Nick Jr. show for preschoolers. Each episode follows the adventures of three classroom pets--Linny the Guinea Pig, Ming-Ming Duckling, and Turtle Tuck--who travel around the globe helping to rescue animals who need their help.

Like real preschoolers, these three unlikely heroes don't have any actual super powers, but by working together they can conquer any obstacle: "What's gonna work? Teamwork!"

By the same token, Carlos, Ken, Michael, Jeff, Rob, David, and Scott M don't have super powers. Scott S and Terry M didnt either. But together they are able to make things happen.


OK, I will be Turtle Tuck, Scott you interested in Linny? If you show up to the NE Seminar in a guinea pig costume, I will refund you 97.00

topcoat
02-27-2009, 07:27 PM
OK, I will be Turtle Tuck, Scott you interested in Linny? If you show up to the NE Seminar in a guinea pig costume, I will refund you 97.00

I hope you are referring to Millen here because I would do it.

Jeff LeCours
02-27-2009, 11:06 PM
Wonder pets LOL LOL LOL. My son used to watch them

You're alright Scott............Wonderpets LOL LOL

John Tornabene
02-28-2009, 03:06 AM
I disagree.

The guys that came together to build this org. have set the rules, if you don't like them, they will listen but you are always free to leave. They understand that they need to be flexible BUT

- Without rules there cannot be focus on goals

- If the rules are being changed every time someone wanted something different there will not be any stability within the org. and the org. will fail

- Any org needs to have a solid foundation in order to grow but you need to balance stability with flexibility and only act when/if it benefits the end goal

- Failure is NOT an option
Jim You and I are really saying the same thing. I am saying that there are rules in place and if you don't like them then just don't resign. Wait untill the time is right to try to make a potential rule change if that is allowed to be done. This is the point I was trying to make. Its very frustrating to see some valuable member resign in haste because they are seeing things that may not be right. This is the worst kind of breakup that happens over and over again. Now when you add some ego's to the mixture and all of us business owners all have Ego's then you can have a mess on your hands unless if you have a real strong leader as in a Carlos etc. THis is just my take on thinks as of late and my view is to only help strengthen the UAMCC and to not weekend it EVER....oh yea nice music by the way:)

Ron Musgraves
02-28-2009, 11:37 AM
Jim You and I are really saying the same thing. I am saying that there are rules in place and if you don't like them then just don't resign. Wait untill the time is right to try to make a potential rule change if that is allowed to be done. This is the point I was trying to make. Its very frustrating to see some valuable member resign in haste because they are seeing things that may not be right. This is the worst kind of breakup that happens over and over again. Now when you add some ego's to the mixture and all of us business owners all have Ego's then you can have a mess on your hands unless if you have a real strong leader as in a Carlos etc. THis is just my take on thinks as of late and my view is to only help strengthen the UAMCC and to not weekend it EVER....oh yea nice music by the way:)

Instead of talking about it they want to attack, then think this will have a result on certain people and play th fear card.

The reality is that most on the web like you have seen this not work. It actaully works as a negative result.

You keep reffering to Scott resigning, I know that Scotts resigning should have nothing to do with leaders looking at possible mistakes being made.

Successful people realize mistakes and change them, unsuccesfull people dont.

I think all in all people just dont like to be critizied.

Repsect on both sides is an issue, I dont think they realize others in the industry have volinteered time and work hard.

topcoat
02-28-2009, 12:41 PM
Last summer I bought a new lawn tractor. It was a bit frustrating because when I would lower the mow deck, once in a while the belt would come off the pullies underneath. The belt was stretching and breaking in. One day it came off in the middle of mowing, and when I reached under to reinstall the belt, the inside of my forearm got on one of the hot pullies and burned a half cylinder shape into my arm. It was a pretty good burn and scabbed over. The scab itched alot and I couldnt resist scratching and picking at it. Once in a while a little blood would show, but eventually new skin grew and there is just a very subtle indication of the burn now.

OrlandoRoofCleaners.com
02-28-2009, 12:44 PM
Last summer I bought a new lawn tractor. It was a bit frustrating because when I would lower the mow deck, once in a while the belt would come off the pullies underneath. The belt was stretching and breaking in. One day it came off in the middle of mowing, and when I reached under to reinstall the belt, the inside of my forearm got on one of the hot pullies and burned a half cylinder shape into my arm. It was a pretty good burn and scabbed over. The scab itched alot and I couldnt resist scratching and picking at it. Once in a while a little blood would show, but eventually new skin grew and there is just a very subtle indication of the burn now.

Very nice analogy! :Smiley-2031:

Ken Fenner
02-28-2009, 12:57 PM
Scott, your insight continues to amaze me. One needs to keep in mind that you learn from mistakes. One can be a great pressure washer but not have his or her ducks lined up when it comes time for a tax audit. One can start a chemical distributor and not realize the impact on having supply issues. There are a thousand things that can go wrong in life and will from time to time. Mistakes are the teacher of life and are neccessary on the road to success.

Jeff LeCours
02-28-2009, 01:02 PM
Jim You and I are really saying the same thing. I am saying that there are rules in place and if you don't like them then just don't resign. Wait untill the time is right to try to make a potential rule change if that is allowed to be done. This is the point I was trying to make. Its very frustrating to see some valuable member resign in haste because they are seeing things that may not be right. This is the worst kind of breakup that happens over and over again. Now when you add some ego's to the mixture and all of us business owners all have Ego's then you can have a mess on your hands unless if you have a real strong leader as in a Carlos etc. THis is just my take on thinks as of late and my view is to only help strengthen the UAMCC and to not weekend it EVER....oh yea nice music by the way:)


People make decisions on what is best for them. All this talk about in haste, worst kind of break up, ego's. I think you are putting a little to much into things. I know you have seen a lot in your past with orgs. This is just my opinion John.

Have a great day brother. I heard you are going to NY, see you there

John Tornabene
02-28-2009, 01:10 PM
Hey Jeff I'll see you in NY:) I'm still smarting a little from the past. Your right I am over analyzing this. Wouldn't be the first time I did that... Looking forward to Matts RT and starting my 14th year in this biz...cya there brother-

Ron Musgraves
02-28-2009, 06:37 PM
Scott, your insight continues to amaze me. One needs to keep in mind that you learn from mistakes. One can be a great pressure washer but not have his or her ducks lined up when it comes time for a tax audit. One can start a chemical distributor and not realize the impact on having supply issues. There are a thousand things that can go wrong in life and will from time to time. Mistakes are the teacher of life and are neccessary on the road to success.

Yeah, I heard alot of folks have all sorts of trouble with Taxes and cant pay them. I once had a 1.2 million judgement an paid it in full. It hurts , Sounds like you have some experience with Tax issue too Ken.

Also, always deliver what you say you can. Thats always good advice, I'm sure you know that.

Ken Fenner
02-28-2009, 06:51 PM
I didn't know that, Ron as I mind my own business. I had heard some rumors here or there but that was/is your business. That must have been unpleasant for you. I'm sorry that you had to go through it. I've never had any tax issues (knock wood) but I have had the supply issue problems I mentioned. Business is always waiting with another treat or challenge for you. I'm sure getting through that tax thing was a good but painful learning experience for you. See how cool people are? No one holds that mistake against you. We are all human beings and are entitled to be judged on our actions of today, not the mistakes of yesterday. We learn and we move on as better people.

Stay strong, Ron.. keep leading the pack!

topcoat
02-28-2009, 07:04 PM
Ron

I have been missing the talkbox videos. I can see it now: "there isnt any mess that Ron Musgraves can make that Ron Musgraves can't clean up." Thats a huge obstacle to overcome, and I'm sure, a mistake you dont make twice. I've heard of guys folding up over a fraction of that. Good for you.

Scott Davis
02-28-2009, 07:38 PM
Crap Scott, we almost folded when our trailer was stolen. We were broke, and now our only source of income was taken form us, w/ no cash to rebuild...I couldnt imagine a $1.2mil IRS Judgement. Unless my bank account looked like Ron's of course.:biggrin:

Ron Musgraves
02-28-2009, 09:40 PM
I didn't know that, Ron as I mind my own business. I had heard some rumors here or there but that was/is your business. That must have been unpleasant for you. I'm sorry that you had to go through it. I've never had any tax issues (knock wood) but I have had the supply issue problems I mentioned. Business is always waiting with another treat or challenge for you. I'm sure getting through that tax thing was a good but painful learning experience for you. See how cool people are? No one holds that mistake against you. We are all human beings and are entitled to be judged on our actions of today, not the mistakes of yesterday. We learn and we move on as better people.

Stay strong, Ron.. keep leading the pack!

It was and easy mistake to Fix, write a check if you got it. Fold if you dont.

Unfortuantly if you dont pay or deliver to a consumer you can get out of it. The IRS you just pay...

I always pay and deliver. By the way Ken, tax issues have nothing to do with being a bad person. By the way Ken we all have tax problems, we all pay way to much.

Ron Musgraves
02-28-2009, 09:42 PM
Ron

I have been missing the talkbox videos. I can see it now: "there isnt any mess that Ron Musgraves can make that Ron Musgraves can't clean up." Thats a huge obstacle to overcome, and I'm sure, a mistake you dont make twice. I've heard of guys folding up over a fraction of that. Good for you.

That can happen I'm certain.

topcoat
02-28-2009, 10:09 PM
It went on for a couple of months. I would feel the itch and pick the scab. Then, it just flaked away. Human beings have a remarkable capacity to heal.

Jeff LeCours
02-28-2009, 10:27 PM
I have to confess


I've been an angel all my life. All the stories I have told on these BB's for years about my personal stuff has all been lies. I'm pretty sure when my days end on this earth I will be sainted

From Condo King to Saint Jeff :roflmao:


I just watched the movie Troy, heck we think we have it rough sometimes, can you imagine living in those days. Good movie

topcoat
02-28-2009, 10:36 PM
I want to see that movie. Odysseus is one of my favorites. Great heroic characters in those stories.

Ron Musgraves
02-28-2009, 10:39 PM
I have to confess


I've been an angel all my life. All the stories I have told on these BB's for years about my personal stuff has all been lies. I'm pretty sure when my days end on this earth I will be sainted

From Condo King to Saint Jeff :roflmao:


I just watched the movie Troy, heck we think we have it rough sometimes, can you imagine living in those days. Good movie


LOL, I see your not atending Atlanta. You will be missed KING, I was looking forward to seeing Lisa.

I suppose will see you in May

Jeff LeCours
02-28-2009, 10:52 PM
LOL, I see your not atending Atlanta. You will be missed KING, I was looking forward to seeing Lisa.

I suppose will see you in May

S*cks. I was going to bring Lisa & the kids, its Joshua's birthday the 18Th. Was going to do the RT on Saturday and have a party at Six Flags for him Sunday...Then Lisa found out we were invited to a wedding for a girl at her work and for some reason we have to go. I guess I cant complain she's letting me go to all these RT's and stuff

Whats in May?? I got to go look on the NCE site

I know Lisa and I will be definitly going to Korys. We had a great funny time with Kory & Nick last year

Jeff LeCours
02-28-2009, 11:05 PM
I just searched its Celeste & Rogers RT. I told her I will be there. You going Ron?

Just a suggestion, the NCE site needs a calender of dates on the 1st page so you can look by the month.

Ron Musgraves
03-01-2009, 11:44 AM
I just searched its Celeste & Rogers RT. I told her I will be there. You going Ron?

Just a suggestion, the NCE site needs a calender of dates on the 1st page so you can look by the month.


Its an NCE event, I should make the event. Russ & co. are coming, i thought you said you were showing.

Its nice to see the Uamcc buying refreshments, we apprecieated the dogs and sausage you bought in Alabama.

Calender is at the top, good tip will put the months on there,

You will get a mailer any day with the dates.

Jeff LeCours
03-01-2009, 01:18 PM
Its an NCE event, I should make the event. Russ & co. are coming, i thought you said you were showing.

Its nice to see the Uamcc buying refreshments, we apprecieated the dogs and sausage you bought in Alabama.

Calender is at the top, good tip will put the months on there,

You will get a mailer any day with the dates.

Its all about helping the RT hosts and thanking them for letting us be present and of course a little UAMCC promotion. You know a thing or two about promotion:yes:

Give me a call sometime, I'm not much on Private messaging