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Jeff Jacobs
01-20-2010, 02:15 AM
SH & Dawn; How much are you paying for it?
Just trying to get a feel for pricing.

Ken Fenner
01-20-2010, 08:18 AM
You are gonna laugh at what we pay for sodium hypo. Its $3.50 up here. I know in Florida its probably under $1.

James VanHandle
01-20-2010, 08:23 AM
You are gonna laugh at what we pay for sodium hypo. Its $3.50 up here. I know in Florida its probably under $1.

We pay $12.50 per 5gal for SH 12% and about 4bucks for a jug of dawn.

James Foley
01-20-2010, 09:39 AM
There are many Chemical companies in the East. I pay 2.67 a gallon with a 60 gallon min in 15 gallon kegs. If I purchased in 55 gallon drums it would be much cheaper but it comes down to storage and handling. Also , if I went directly to the maker of the bleach it would be cheaper but its to far to trans port For Dawn go to the Costcos and the Dollar stores of the world ( cheap).

Tony Shelton
01-20-2010, 10:31 AM
Believe it or not Dawn is only about 10 cents an ounce at Walmart.

Tim Fields
01-20-2010, 02:47 PM
We pay about $100.00 for two 15 gallon jugs. With a smile.:yes:Happy to have access to fresh stuff close to home.

What we sell it for has been considered criminal by some.

But we have never sold it for more than the market would bear.:headshakesmile-fast

Jim Chesmore
01-20-2010, 07:30 PM
I pay $9.50-$10/five gal container, depends on who is at the register at the time.

Jim Cooney
01-20-2010, 07:48 PM
I had a girlfriend named Dawn. She cost me a lot.

:Smiley-2147:

Carlos Gonzales
01-20-2010, 08:10 PM
I had a girlfriend named Dawn. She cost me a lot.

:Smiley-2147:

LOL...I remember a song called "Del Ta Dawn"....blaaaaaaaaaaaa

Actually I heard it this morning when I woke up at Dawn...

Hey has anyone seen Don lately

Okay....Los ...thats enough. It just dawned on me that I am acting silly.:Smiley-2121::Smiley-2010::Smiley-2101:

Brian Wendling
01-21-2010, 12:17 AM
You are gonna laugh at what we pay for sodium hypo. Its $3.50 up here. I know in Florida its probably under $1.

Ken you should try to get it from Buckmans we get them to deliver it to my shop every week. I think we are around 2.30-2.40 to have them pump it into all my drums.

Jeff Jacobs
01-21-2010, 03:01 AM
Thanks for all the responses.
I just struck a deal for $1.40 per gallon on SH and $11 a gallon on Dawn.

Chris Tharpe
01-21-2010, 03:05 AM
Harcros sells us drums for 99 each

Ryan Freidline
02-28-2010, 11:33 AM
In Northern Virginia we pay $1.71/gal SH

Chris Apple
02-28-2010, 01:29 PM
Harcros sells us drums for 99 each

Dang. Ive been buying from Harcros for the last year. At 180 per drum!

I about to switch to a different company. 110 drum with a 35 dollar delivery charge.

Chris Tucker
12-24-2010, 09:51 AM
Thanks for all the responses.
I just struck a deal for $1.40 per gallon on SH and $11 a gallon on Dawn.
There are much better surfactants to use for roof cleaning then Dawn.

Russ Spence
12-24-2010, 11:15 AM
79.00 for 55 gallons here

I buy in bulk but that is the 55 gal price.

PSIPressure
12-24-2010, 11:43 PM
1.70 / gallon here in daytona beach area. And about $2 per palmolive from dollar store :)

Chris Tucker
12-27-2010, 07:48 PM
Thanks for all the responses.
I just struck a deal for $1.40 per gallon on SH and $11 a gallon on Dawn.
Sometimes we pay a little more for SH that is FRESH!
I always look for busy pool supply stores with a single tank vs a dual tank setup.
I swear, I have cleaned tan shingle roofs with 20 percent on a hot day that was fresh from the truck into a basically empty single tank.
That chit was smokin hot!

Bob Gomez
02-13-2011, 08:44 PM
just seeing what ratios you are all mixing at. I'm in Mass. I use 60-70% (12%sh) 30/40%water and Dawn. We often find ourselves still needing some minor pressure to move algea and some stubborn mosses are not moving unless wee hit roof with substantial pressure using a 40 degree tip for example. Simply rinsing does not give us the greatest results. Should we go stronger? Also...looking for lightest 4000 psi hose...any ideas? We pay $3/gallon for 12% sh

Russ Spence
02-13-2011, 10:09 PM
just seeing what ratios you are all mixing at. I'm in Mass. I use 60-70% (12%sh) 30/40%water and Dawn. We often find ourselves still needing some minor pressure to move algea and some stubborn mosses are not moving unless wee hit roof with substantial pressure using a 40 degree tip for example. Simply rinsing does not give us the greatest results. Should we go stronger? Also...looking for lightest 4000 psi hose...any ideas? We pay $3/gallon for 12% sh

Honestly I am having a hard time finding words to express how that makes me feel?

Ok, so what is the temp when you are having trouble? If its cool thats the problem more than likely. Also I dont like rinsing!

Bob Gomez
02-14-2011, 11:16 AM
The temps are usually above 60 degrees. I'm not sure I have enough dawn in my solution. The run off is apparent. What about your mix and application process. We have lots of work out here and we are fairly new at roof cleaning. I know pressure is not good and would really like to be doing this properly. My roofs would be a mess if I didn't rinse them. On a typical 1500 square foot house we would use about 8-10 gallons of SH. Does that sound low? Let me know your thoughts. Thnks for the input. Bob G

Doug Rucker
07-09-2012, 05:41 PM
I don;t use Dawn, I use Roof Snot from Russ Johnson.

Chris Tucker
07-11-2012, 01:18 PM
I don;t use Dawn, I use Roof Snot from Russ Johnson.
We do not use Dawn either.

Bill Booz
07-13-2012, 09:18 PM
Ken, I know a rep in your area and can cut that price at least 30%

Chris Tucker
07-18-2012, 03:58 PM
We pay 95 cents a gallon for our SH, but we buy quite a bit, and we can bargain with our suppliers. Economy in Tampa is not good, so I told several suppliers, this is what I will pay, or your chit can sit there, and turn to salt water !
I buy all my chlorine stable surfactants direct in 55 gallon drums.
But I highly suggest roof snot for those who buy smaller amounts.
You can get it from Russ Johnson:)

Chris Tucker
07-18-2012, 04:01 PM
Ken, I know a rep in your area and can cut that price at least 30%
I like the picture Bill, you look great in a suit, almost look like a wall street banker or something brother:)

John Burdine Jr
07-18-2012, 10:53 PM
I'm happy to pay 2.35ish at quantity 55 gallon. Regarding your mix Mr. Gomez, I'd say its way too strong. Just leave the lichen and moss up there, over time they will come off. Its all about setting expectations with clients before the cleaning when lichen and moss are present.

Bill Booz
07-18-2012, 11:14 PM
Thanks Chris, Good to hear from you.

We got it down to about $2.00 a gallon. But we have paid as much as $3.34 a gallon in MD.
Pressure Point is correct that the Moss and lichen will generally fall off. We do occasionally remove it, but most of the time it gets left behind.

Doug Rucker
07-19-2012, 07:33 AM
I pay $1.75 a gallon, delivered to my home. The supplier, supplied me with a 125 gallon tank, and I call in when I need it filled. It is usually filled that day or the next at the latest.

Chris Tucker
07-19-2012, 03:55 PM
Thanks Chris, Good to hear from you.

We got it down to about $2.00 a gallon. But we have paid as much as $3.34 a gallon in MD.
Pressure Point is correct that the Moss and lichen will generally fall off. We do occasionally remove it, but most of the time it gets left behind.
2 dollars a gallon aint bad for Maryland. We pay double for Blue Crabs down here in Tampa:)

Rance Tilley
12-04-2012, 01:51 PM
$4.85 per gallon here for 55 gals.

AC Lockyer
02-08-2013, 11:08 AM
Be weary of using some soaps and bleach. If not SPECIFICALLY tested and compatible with the dilution strengths we use and (not just for laundry or water treatment) chloromines and halothormes can be released and these are known cancer causing agents. Please be sure that you are using a product specifically engineered for mixing with HIGH CONCENTRATIONS of bleach like we do in roof & exterior soft washing. There are many types of Dawn as well and several have a specific warning against mixing with bleach. Also notice the ingredient lauramine oxide. I have questions about the compatibility of this surfactant and bleach. see pics.

AC

Mike Woolley
02-08-2013, 11:42 AM
Good info AC.

Cameron Queen
02-09-2013, 07:30 AM
Good info AC.

+1
Paying about $3 a gallon here... and that's 25% lower than the majority of suppliers :thumbdown:

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Guy Blackmon
02-09-2013, 12:31 PM
We"re paying about $2.50 per gal which may sound high but that using a PW supplier that also works on our equipment if we have a major breakdown. It's also delivered right to the door. All we do is make a phone call and it's done, so we don't have to tie up time, money, and resources looking for the lowest price then going and getting it ourselves.

We use Contractor Grade roof surfactants.

AC Lockyer
02-09-2013, 01:03 PM
We"re paying about $2.50 per gal which may sound high but that using a PW supplier that also works on our equipment if we have a major breakdown. It's also delivered right to the door. All we do is make a phone call and it's done, so we don't have to tie up time, money, and resources looking for the lowest price then going and getting it ourselves.

We use Contractor Grade roof surfactants.

Most of all its important to support the local small business!

Jason Reider
02-09-2013, 10:51 PM
I was just quoted $1.75 per gallon this week for 12.5. This add major savings this year!

DeJay Brock
02-10-2013, 01:27 AM
You not that far from Louisville are you? You could save a whole lot by coming here!
$4.85 per gallon here for 55 gals.

Tony Evans
02-10-2013, 01:47 AM
Also notice the ingredient lauramine oxide. I have questions about the compatibility of this surfactant and bleach. see pics.

AC

Do you feel there would be a hazardous reaction between them AC?

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02-10-2013, 01:57 AM
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Chris Tucker
02-12-2013, 12:51 PM
Be weary of using some soaps and bleach. If not SPECIFICALLY tested and compatible with the dilution strengths we use and (not just for laundry or water treatment) chloromines and halothormes can be released and these are known cancer causing agents. Please be sure that you are using a product specifically engineered for mixing with HIGH CONCENTRATIONS of bleach like we do in roof & exterior soft washing. There are many types of Dawn as well and several have a specific warning against mixing with bleach. Also notice the ingredient lauramine oxide. I have questions about the compatibility of this surfactant and bleach. see pics.

AC
Well, let me put your mind at ease. Lauramine Oxide (Ammonyx LO) is unconditionally Chlorine Stable. It is the OTHER stuff in Dawn that is non bleach compatible. Besides, who uses Dawn anymore, when Liquid Gain Ultra Original Scent is better ?
Gain smells much better too, and enough of it in your mix does a much better job of masking the smell of Chlorine, then Dawn could ever hope to do.
LOL, The Liquid Gain Ultra Original Scent has become the "go to" store bought roof cleaning surfactant of choice for Non Rinsing Roof Cleaners, for this reason.
When the rain hits all that dried on Gain, lots of good smelling little bubbles come of the roof, vs your customers home smelling like a swimming pool.

Let's talk about both Gain and Dawn "Non Bleach Compatibility" for a moment . Both are made by Proctor and Gamble, who doesn't want Mama pouring either soaps into a sink filled with bleach, in an inside the house situation.
But, in an outside situation like roof cleaning, pouring a little Dawn or Gain into a tank of 50 or more gallons of much stronger Sodium Hypochlorite, here is what happens. The small amounts on non bleach compatible stuff in the Dawn and Gain are quickly Eaten Up (oxidized) by all that Sodium Hypochlorite.
Think about it for a minute AC ? Zillions of pressure washers and roof cleaners have used Dawn and Gain for years, in their mix.
I know none that have died of Cancer, and I have been teaching roof cleaning on the Internet nearly 15 years.

Also, FYI, nearly the entire family of Lauramine Oxide Surfactants are Chlorine Stable. To say Lauramine Oxide is not Chlorine Stable, is to say Roof Snot is not Chlorine Stable !

Chris Tucker
02-12-2013, 01:14 PM
Do you feel there would be a hazardous reaction between them AC?

Lauramine Oxide is commonly called Ammonyx LO. It is unconditionally Chlorine Stable.

Even our most rookie roof cleaners at the RCIA know that Lauramine Oxide is Chlorine Stable.

AC Lockyer
02-20-2013, 01:49 PM
Do you feel there would be a hazardous reaction between them AC?

Tony,

I cant say for sure. I do know that there is an oxide in the name and I am not a chemist, but I just want people to ask questions instead of gambling with their health. Please contact a chemist. I am not a chemist. I have employed a chemist to assure me about our products. I have also strayed away from creating other products for our line because of potential reactions with bleach and our other chemicals.

AC

AC Lockyer
02-20-2013, 01:54 PM
Think about it for a minute AC ? Zillions of pressure washers and roof cleaners have used Dawn and Gain for years, in their mix.
I know none that have died of Cancer, and I have been teaching roof cleaning on the Internet nearly 15 years.



Chris,

Are you a chemist? Don't you have emphysema? It's hard to carry on a conversation with you without you coughing up a lung.

We just need to ask questions and be absolutely sure. I want to live to see my great grandchildren.

AC

AC Lockyer
02-24-2013, 08:05 AM
Actually what would really be cool is if an association like the RCIA take some of its funding and hire a chemist to identify what if any issues there are in using some soaps with bleach and water solutions especially in the strengths roof cleaners use bleach and those soaps. Known test data that does exist now is measured in PPM or parts per million. Our strengths are way higher than that.

Chris, maybe the RCIA could make this happen by...

1. Using the revenues from your certification program to hire a chemist or pay for a study at a major university.

2. Maybe put up a Paypal link on your RCIA website and allow the membership to raise funding for such a study.

3. Have one of your multi-million dollar roof cleaners sponsor such and effort and pay for the study for the RCIA.

4. Have one of your RCIA friendly vendors pay for the study for the RCIA.

Just a few suggestions.

AC

Ron Musgraves
11-07-2017, 10:07 AM
SH & Dawn; How much are you paying for it?
Just trying to get a feel for pricing.

I love HASA

Hugo Hugasian
01-31-2018, 10:58 PM
Anyone have a good connect for SH in NY. Specifically Long Island area. Thank you.


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Ron Musgraves
01-31-2018, 10:59 PM
Anyone have a good connect for SH in NY. Specifically Long Island area. Thank you.


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Univar in bulk


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Kory Finley
02-01-2018, 09:18 PM
what is HASA?

Doug Rucker
02-01-2018, 09:31 PM
what is HASA?

Is who I get my bleach from in Texas


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