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Steven Button
05-30-2010, 09:03 PM
I've checked in and out of this forum for a while now... :frown: what's going on?

Who is on the BOD? I see that many have stepped down, but who is now running the UAMCC?

What's the plan for the UAMCC?

I don't know if I am still current or if my membership has lapsed - not sure if it really matters...

Jim Cooney
05-30-2010, 11:02 PM
Good questions Steven. But no one dares to answer.

Guy Blackmon
05-31-2010, 03:27 AM
Sorry, I Got Nothing.

John Orr
05-31-2010, 04:36 AM
I've checked in and out of this forum for a while now... :frown: what's going on?

Who is on the BOD? I see that many have stepped down, but who is now running the UAMCC?

What's the plan for the UAMCC?

I don't know if I am still current or if my membership has lapsed - not sure if it really matters...


Welcome back Steve. Yes, some BOD members have stepped aside, mostly due to time conflicts and the need to pay more attention to their business. Since we are all contractors - and most of our companies require us to actually wash - choices sometimes have to be made between running an org and running a business and caring for our families. Tough choices, but family has to come first.

Currently, the BOD is down to 5, though we hope to add a few soon. Scott Millen, Mike Tessarro, Mike Cook, Trevor Steel and me, John Orr.

The UAMCC plan is to basically re-build, starting with finally being able to take ownership of this BBS. We are hoping to announce, within the next week, the beta version of our Contractor Directory. A new RFP is also in the works.

All memberships were extended 3 months to July 1. The BOD has had to re-build virtually every aspect of the UAMCC and it has taken us some time to do it. We felt it only fair to add back this "lost time". Had we been able to hit the ground running when we were seated Jan. 1, this could have been avoided, but on top of the challenges the BOD was handed, we soon ran into the busy season. Not offering an excuse - just an explanation.

And finally, yes it matters. The UAMCC is moving forward and member participation will be actively sought.

Eric Flynn
05-31-2010, 05:41 AM
Welcome back Steve. Yes, some BOD members have stepped aside, mostly due to time conflicts and the need to pay more attention to their business. Since we are all contractors - and most of our companies require us to actually wash - choices sometimes have to be made between running an org and running a business and caring for our families. Tough choices, but family has to come first.

Currently, the BOD is down to 5, though we hope to add a few soon. Scott Millen, Mike Tessarro, Mike Cook, Trevor Steel and me, John Orr.

The UAMCC plan is to basically re-build, starting with finally being able to take ownership of this BBS. We are hoping to announce, within the next week, the beta version of our Contractor Directory. A new RFP is also in the works.

All memberships were extended 3 months to July 1. The BOD has had to re-build virtually every aspect of the UAMCC and it has taken us some time to do it. We felt it only fair to add back this "lost time". Had we been able to hit the ground running when we were seated Jan. 1, this could have been avoided, but on top of the challenges the BOD was handed, we soon ran into the busy season. Not offering an excuse - just an explanation.

And finally, yes it matters. The UAMCC is moving forward and member participation will be actively sought.

Thanks John. Personally, I would like to see an update every once in a while on the Org's status.
As a suggestion, maybe the BOD could assign someone to be the "BBS Spokesperson" to give the members weekly updates as things happen.
Right now, aside from the new BBS layout, it appears as nothing is happening. That may not be the case, but if updates were posted (no matter how small the completed task was) I am sure some members would feel a tad bit better about the BOD's progress.

~Jen

Gene Fivel
05-31-2010, 12:18 PM
I Agree Jen......

Ron Musgraves
05-31-2010, 01:42 PM
Thanks John. Personally, I would like to see an update every once in a while on the Org's status.
As a suggestion, maybe the BOD could assign someone to be the "BBS Spokesperson" to give the members weekly updates as things happen.
Right now, aside from the new BBS layout, it appears as nothing is happening. That may not be the case, but if updates were posted (no matter how small the completed task was) I am sure some members would feel a tad bit better about the BOD's progress.

~Jen


Its appears alot of folks upset because they believe the bod has done nothing. The BOD has done in a very short time what took 18 months they did in maybe 12 weeks. re-built the org from ground up.

I want to thank them for keeping the Dream alive and wish others would now realize they have re-created the org.

The Bod has created everything from the very start.

Its would be easier with there help to just tell us what was kept? I dont want to make false statement so people reading this understand that this is true.

This is not about the negative of the past but how strong these leaders have actually been.

Each and everyday they have been working hard behind the scenes to re-start virtually every process and create new ones that where never in place and should have been.

Each day they kept focused and on track despite the people judging them.

They took the high road and at first I thought that throwing the old people of the past under the bus was the right thing. I was wrong, the courage to hold all the responisbility upon there own shoulders and let the chips fall where they may. This was the right choice and now the org I brlieve will be stronger and better than it every was.

This is my point on this. The reason I beleive this is because the old org was built with one person or just a select few. This one was built by all of of, by the hand of the members of elected people who we all believed in.

We all need to once again believe and trust. Time will heal all wounds, now I want to apoligize to the New BOD for not understanding why they did what they did. I see I was wrong and this will certainly build a stronger foundation. The reason why are not relavent anylonger. We now have a united UAMCC and its up to member to come together and support the UAMCC.

Its time to believe in the dream we all together, each person here saw and realized the dream. I know the dream is not lost!!!

John Tornabene
05-31-2010, 02:10 PM
Good Question Steve and there are some good and fair responses to it. I also would like to see the BOD's at times post here on this bb to see what there up to but I understand that its a BOD decision whether they feel this bulletin board is where they want to do that. Myself being a bulletin board type person I say bring the news to the masses thru this board and maybe even on some other boards if those boards allow it. But in the past thru the PWNA my belief about this was not the popular one.

Lets see if we can keep this board up to par by doing our best to keep it professional and also a bb where we can interact with members and non members and if we can do that with not to much collateral damage and the BOD's see this maybe they will decide to post here and keep us updated..... but we must try to keep this bb as professsional and respectful as can be expected.

Steven Button
05-31-2010, 06:13 PM
Welcome back Steve. Yes, some BOD members have stepped aside, mostly due to time conflicts and the need to pay more attention to their business. Since we are all contractors - and most of our companies require us to actually wash - choices sometimes have to be made between running an org and running a business and caring for our families. Tough choices, but family has to come first.

Currently, the BOD is down to 5, though we hope to add a few soon. Scott Millen, Mike Tessarro, Mike Cook, Trevor Steel and me, John Orr.

The UAMCC plan is to basically re-build, starting with finally being able to take ownership of this BBS. We are hoping to announce, within the next week, the beta version of our Contractor Directory. A new RFP is also in the works.

All memberships were extended 3 months to July 1. The BOD has had to re-build virtually every aspect of the UAMCC and it has taken us some time to do it. We felt it only fair to add back this "lost time". Had we been able to hit the ground running when we were seated Jan. 1, this could have been avoided, but on top of the challenges the BOD was handed, we soon ran into the busy season. Not offering an excuse - just an explanation.

And finally, yes it matters. The UAMCC is moving forward and member participation will be actively sought.

Thanks for the clarification John - I understand the time conflict issues, that's one of the reasons why I withdrew from my BOD nomination way back when.

I wish you and the other BOD nothing but good fortune in your own businesses and in realizing your vision for the UAMCC.

(in regard to the last few months and going forward) collectively, your steadfastness is to be commended.

Scott Davis
05-31-2010, 09:29 PM
So is Scott Millen still the president? Where is he?

Guy Blackmon
05-31-2010, 10:34 PM
So is Scott Millen still the president? Where is he?

Seems I had a thread with that same question Scott. Will we ever hear from the President????.............. Cue John Orr.

Jim Cooney
05-31-2010, 10:46 PM
I have nothing but respect for Scott Millen. I hope that someday we can finally hear from Scott. But at this point I don't blame him a bit for his abstinence.



Seems I had a thread with that same question Scott. Will we ever hear from the President????.............. Cue John Orr.

Guy Blackmon
05-31-2010, 11:04 PM
Jim, I'm right there with you Buddy. Met Scott in Myrtle Beach when he was on the TT, seemed like a really nice guy, but I must question the Leadership of the Uamcc President that has not communicated with the Membership in 2 or 3 months. This whole Howard Hughes thing is creeping me out.

It's my understanding that he is well aware of whats going on, so why don't we hear from him?????

Trevor Steel
06-01-2010, 12:17 AM
Hang in there guys. Scott's leadership is instramental on the board level and his confidence and persistence have played a huge role in the survival of this org.

Eric Flynn
06-01-2010, 12:56 AM
I do not doubt that one bit Trevor. Scott is a stand up guy. Eric and I truly enjoyed hanging with him in Orlando and I was glad that he decided to take over as President on the BOD.

The only thing I was suggesting is that the members be given updates, and not left in the dark about the BOD's progress. It seems like everyone is just hanging out waiting on some news...something...anything. I KNOW the BOD has been diligently working on the rebuild and I am excited to hear about the upcoming progress.

Regardless of all the chatter about the Org going down the drain, there are members like Eric and I who are still sticking around. We still believe. All we are asking for is some form of communication.



~Jen

Carlos Gonzales
06-01-2010, 09:29 AM
I do not doubt that one bit Trevor. Scott is a stand up guy. Eric and I truly enjoyed hanging with him in Orlando and I was glad that he decided to take over as President on the BOD.

The only thing I was suggesting is that the members be given updates, and not left in the dark about the BOD's progress. It seems like everyone is just hanging out waiting on some news...something...anything. I KNOW the BOD has been diligently working on the rebuild and I am excited to hear about the upcoming progress.

Regardless of all the chatter about the Org going down the drain, there are members like Eric and I who are still sticking around. We still believe. All we are asking for is some form of communication.



~Jen

I agree Jen...there are many that are looking forward in seeing the rebuild which one can assume that a whole new approach to the marketing of the UAMCC, the "systems" of the assoc., the "infrastructure" is or had been rebuilt. I would hope that the BOD's will be able to show that members that the Oversight Committee was involved or at least notified that a total rebuild of the UAMCC was in the works. To be honest with you this is the first I heard about a total rebuild. The new business plan should be a good read, complete with projections, forecasts, region set up, convention, marketing, budgets, Oversight Committee, time line projections...the list goes on and on. I am looking forward to reading it. BOD's ...when will this be available?

Jim Cooney
06-01-2010, 10:19 AM
The Oversight Committee has yet been allowed to oversee anything Carlos.


I agree Jen...there are many that are looking forward in seeing the rebuild which one can assume that a whole new approach to the marketing of the UAMCC, the "systems" of the assoc., the "infrastructure" is or had been rebuilt. I would hope that the BOD's will be able to show that members that the Oversight Committee was involved or at least notified that a total rebuild of the UAMCC was in the works. To be honest with you this is the first I heard about a total rebuild. The new business plan should be a good read, complete with projections, forecasts, region set up, convention, marketing, budgets, Oversight Committee, time line projections...the list goes on and on. I am looking forward to reading it. BOD's ...when will this be available?

Ken Fenner
06-01-2010, 10:45 AM
I am guessing "complete rebuild" is a buzzword thrown out by Ron. A complete rebuild would be as Carlos stated: new business plan, new projections, different pricing structure, new systems of daily operations, changed bylaws, new marketing plans, a new laundry list of benefits, an RFP program and a new website with all committees established and a plan of attack for regional setup.

More likely this term "rebuild" is being used to denote the transfer from Carlos's name into the UAMCC's name. I've heard people say the BOD is now free from UAMCC BBS drama and they can get things done. The BBS was down for 6 weeks and the new BOD has been seated for 5 full months. What exactly has been done? I had to laugh when I read Ron's post that more has been accomplished in a few weeks than all the time prior. I love the new vBulletin but that is paying a guy $75 to upgrade the BBS... its a software upgrade. I'm not making light of it, it is what it is. I am not judging the BOD in any way. These guys are volunteering their time. They give what they can. But "complete rebuild" is a slight exageration when in reality we are talking about a forum software update and a payment plan worked out with George Hedley.

Ron Musgraves
06-01-2010, 10:51 AM
Let's make this simple, what did they not have to transfer and recreate from the start?


I am guessing "complete rebuild" is a buzzword thrown out by Ron. A complete rebuild would be as Carlos stated: new business plan, new projections, different pricing structure, new systems of daily operations, changed bylaws, new marketing plans, a new laundry list of benefits, an RFP program and a new website with all committees established and a plan of attack for regional setup.

More likely this term "rebuild" is being used to denote the transfer from Carlos's name into the UAMCC's name. I've heard people say the BOD is now free from UAMCC BBS drama and they can get things done. The BBS was down for 6 weeks and the new BOD has been seated for 5 full months. What exactly has been done? I had to laugh when I read Ron's post that more has been accomplished in a few weeks than all the time prior. I love the new vBulletin but that is paying a guy $75 to upgrade the BBS... its a software upgrade. I'm not making light of it, it is what it is. I am not judging the BOD in any way. These guys are volunteering their time. They give what they can. But "complete rebuild" is a slight exageration when in reality we are talking about a forum software update and a payment plan worked out with George Hedley.

Rob Huffman
06-01-2010, 10:59 AM
unbelievable comments...

David Potter
06-01-2010, 11:08 AM
I am guessing "complete rebuild" is a buzzword thrown out by Ron. A complete rebuild would be as Carlos stated: new business plan, new projections, different pricing structure, new systems of daily operations, changed bylaws, new marketing plans, a new laundry list of benefits, an RFP program and a new website with all committees established and a plan of attack for regional setup.

More likely this term "rebuild" is being used to denote the transfer from Carlos's name into the UAMCC's name. I've heard people say the BOD is now free from UAMCC BBS drama and they can get things done. The BBS was down for 6 weeks and the new BOD has been seated for 5 full months. What exactly has been done? I had to laugh when I read Ron's post that more has been accomplished in a few weeks than all the time prior. I love the new vBulletin but that is paying a guy $75 to upgrade the BBS... its a software upgrade. I'm not making light of it, it is what it is. I am not judging the BOD in any way. These guys are volunteering their time. They give what they can. But "complete rebuild" is a slight exageration when in reality we are talking about a forum software update and a payment plan worked out with George Hedley.


Good news Kenny & Carlos (welcome back)... I am no longer allowed to talk about umacc.....(I wasnt positive enough... oh well) ...looks like things are in good hands now.

Ron Musgraves
06-01-2010, 12:09 PM
The Oversight Committee has yet been allowed to oversee anything Carlos.

Jim, I think they didnt want to throw Carlos under the bus.

I believe keeping things private was the right choice, it was proffessional.

I give Scott Millen props for his leadership. Many here think he is not listening, he is listening to the members.

I know because of the conversation I had with him last week.

When people see the final results of the complete transisition and the finalizing of a legal UAMCC everyone will be pleased.

Simply saying your something your not for 16 months does not make you that Jim. Like saying your in a business when your not doesnt mean you are.

Tony Shelton
06-01-2010, 12:19 PM
I am guessing "complete rebuild" is a buzzword thrown out by Ron. A complete rebuild would be as Carlos stated: new business plan, new projections, different pricing structure, new systems of daily operations, changed bylaws, new marketing plans, a new laundry list of benefits, an RFP program and a new website with all committees established and a plan of attack for regional setup.

More likely this term "rebuild" is being used to denote the transfer from Carlos's name into the UAMCC's name. I've heard people say the BOD is now free from UAMCC BBS drama and they can get things done. The BBS was down for 6 weeks and the new BOD has been seated for 5 full months. What exactly has been done? I had to laugh when I read Ron's post that more has been accomplished in a few weeks than all the time prior. I love the new vBulletin but that is paying a guy $75 to upgrade the BBS... its a software upgrade. I'm not making light of it, it is what it is. I am not judging the BOD in any way. These guys are volunteering their time. They give what they can. But "complete rebuild" is a slight exageration when in reality we are talking about a forum software update and a payment plan worked out with George Hedley.

You and Carlos are really funny. The way you two have hamstrung the BOD you show a lot of nads coming on here and complaining about what they have been able to accomplish.

It's like a little kid pulling up the emergency brake and yelling "Why don't you go faster?!?"

With every day that goes by, those with common sense are able to see what you are made of.

Are you missing that stream of revenue from your banner about now Ken?


And Carlos, do you have any ownership interest in the UAMCC at this point? Please. Let us know.

Karvonens Pro Clean
06-01-2010, 12:20 PM
I am guessing "complete rebuild" is a buzzword thrown out by Ron. A complete rebuild would be as Carlos stated: new business plan, new projections, different pricing structure, new systems of daily operations, changed bylaws, new marketing plans, a new laundry list of benefits, an RFP program and a new website with all committees established and a plan of attack for regional setup.

More likely this term "rebuild" is being used to denote the transfer from Carlos's name into the UAMCC's name. I've heard people say the BOD is now free from UAMCC BBS drama and they can get things done. The BBS was down for 6 weeks and the new BOD has been seated for 5 full months. What exactly has been done? I had to laugh when I read Ron's post that more has been accomplished in a few weeks than all the time prior. I love the new vBulletin but that is paying a guy $75 to upgrade the BBS... its a software upgrade. I'm not making light of it, it is what it is. I am not judging the BOD in any way. These guys are volunteering their time. They give what they can. But "complete rebuild" is a slight exageration when in reality we are talking about a forum software update and a payment plan worked out with George Hedley.

The simple fact that GH didn't at least receive the deposit there was money specifically ear marked for is enough reason to re-examine all aspects of the Org. and how it was being run prior to the new BOD being seated.
Jeff L has done way more than his fair share to help with that situation yet I don't see the one person who should be dropping some money in that hat doing so.

Guy Blackmon
06-01-2010, 12:51 PM
Hang in there guys. Scott's leadership is instramental on the board level and his confidence and persistence have played a huge role in the survival of this org.

Trevor, I was going to post something semi negative about this post, but I have been updated on forward movement in the Org. and the work that the Bod and our President Scott Millen have been doing. If the information I have is true, I will throw 100% support behind the Uamcc, that being said I will be watching and will no longer post anything negative towards our Org. or it's Leadership.

Ron Musgraves
06-01-2010, 12:56 PM
Trevor, I was going to post something semi negative about this post, but I have been updated on forward movement in the Org. and the work that the Bod and our President Scott Millen have been doing. If the information I have is true, I will throw 100% support behind the Uamcc, that being said I will be watching and will no longer post anything negative towards our Org. or it's Leadership.

Its been a long haul for these remaining BOD members. They are closers but much work has to be done.

Scott Millen
06-01-2010, 01:13 PM
I'd like to dip into this thread for a moment...

First, I want to thank everyone that has called, written, pm'd or otherwise contacted me in the last weeks, as well as those who have taken my calls. I know I can be a gusty, long-winded person to speak with, and I appreciate each and every opportunity I have been given by members and others as we work on the UAMCC.

Next, I'd like to thank the folks that have spoken highly of the BOD here. This team has soldiered on through sometimes outlandish opposition and outright accusation to make something better out of the hard work done by the Transition Team. It has been a major undertaking to say the least.

It has been said here, and in other places, that we have had to refound the UAMCC, or to completely rebuild it. This is an overstatement from my point of view, but I can sympathize with the members and Directors who have felt this way. There have been many fundamental challenges.

It is closer to the truth, and I say this as a member of the Transition Team myself, to say that we are trying to finish the job the TT set out to accomplish. This is in no way a criticism of the TT or of any particular member, the accomplishments were there, but the job was unfinished. We are trying to finish the job as we believe will best suit the present members' interests, as well as to preserve the original vision of an association built by, run by, and serving contractors.

Having now been buried up to my neck in the daily operation of this organization, it is easy to look back and see the missteps made by the TT, and to see the weaknesses the UAMCC has suffered from during the trying first months of its existence under the elected leadership. Many have shared in the responsibility for our woes, but more have shared in our successes, and in the hope for a bright and productive future for the UAMCC and the members it serves. I am not going to recriminate, nor will I accuse, I will just say that much of the fine-print work that had to be done, has been done.

The Board of Directors has worked steadily to overcome obstacles that they never could have foreseen, and to meet challenges every day. That work still is not done. We have some serious deficiencies to remedy.

First, we have got to step away, as an organization, from the desire to blame and pick favorites. In hard point of fact, as long as this organization has many members joining because they love one person, or because they hate another, it is doomed to a slow death by inches. As the Bible was paraphrased by Lincoln, "No house divided against itself can stand." This organization needs to be about our shared interests as contractors in the same industry, not about any particular personalities.

Next, we require funds, both to meet our obligations daily, but also to overcome our challenges going forward. I have long maintained that the UAMCC will not prosper without donation by members, and from the outside. Contributions of cash, time, and effort are always welcome, and needed. (an aside here, situations like that of David Vicars currently, present an opportunity for contractors to demonstrate their amazing ability to be generous. Of course I agree that such emergencies surpass the needs of any organization.) We are ready to take your renewals and contributions whenever you may wish.

Last, we have to continue to systematize the way the UAMCC does its business. One of my greatest mentors has always pounded into my head the mantra, "Undercapitalized, and unsystematized is the surest route to failure." I agree, and those have been the points of the Board of Directors' efforts these months since January.

Nobody needs under-the-bus throwing. No member need be removed from the rolls. Contractors need only come together to operate this UAMCC as has always been the intentions of the founders, the Charter Members, and the members at large.

Contractors for Contractors. That's why I am still prouder than ever to be UAMCC.

Look to see more from me here and in your email boxes, but really, feel free to call me or to get in touch some other way. The Directors need to hear from you. We ardently wish to operate in a manner fully compliant with our Bylaws, but we most desperately need people on the board, and in committees. If you have time or suggestions, I want to know, as do all the Directors.

I hope this post will help in the current discussion, and thanks for taking time to read it.

Guy Blackmon
06-01-2010, 01:30 PM
Scott, Thank You So Much For Posting This!!!!!

This is the communication from our President that everyone has been asking for. If the progress moves in the direction that I have been told, the Uamcc will have my total support.

Ron Musgraves
06-01-2010, 01:35 PM
Scott, I admitted I had my doubts about your leadership. I no longer have any, your Leadership I support and will try to help this org like I have always done.

I love the fact you take responsibilty for actions and mistakes. This shows me your real and can lead the members by not repeating the mistake you have already admitted made.

I thought the UAMCC was falling apart like most where. I know see you have a stronger team than before. The reason are personally my own but I see the current guys as strong and behind your efforts.

I think Dave Vicars will make a great addition of a stronger and seasoned guy who also has admitted mistakes wont happen in the future.

This one statement goes along way, we are all men and will continue likely to make mistakes. People just love to know that when they are made people take responsibiltys and correct them not hide behind them.


Scott I'm here for what ever I might help with. We all should come together for common goals reguardless of past differences.


I'd like to dip into this thread for a moment...

First, I want to thank everyone that has called, written, pm'd or otherwise contacted me in the last weeks, as well as those who have taken my calls. I know I can be a gusty, long-winded person to speak with, and I appreciate each and every opportunity I have been given by members and others as we work on the UAMCC.

Next, I'd like to thank the folks that have spoken highly of the BOD here. This team has soldiered on through sometimes outlandish opposition and outright accusation to make something better out of the hard work done by the Transition Team. It has been a major undertaking to say the least.

It has been said here, and in other places, that we have had to refound the UAMCC, or to completely rebuild it. This is an overstatement from my point of view, but I can sympathize with the members and Directors who have felt this way. There have been many fundamental challenges.

It is closer to the truth, and I say this as a member of the Transition Team myself, to say that we are trying to finish the job the TT set out to accomplish. This is in no way a criticism of the TT or of any particular member, the accomplishments were there, but the job was unfinished. We are trying to finish the job as we believe will best suit the present members' interests, as well as to preserve the original vision of an association built by, run by, and serving contractors.

Having now been buried up to my neck in the daily operation of this organization, it is easy to look back and see the missteps made by the TT, and to see the weaknesses the UAMCC has suffered from during the trying first months of its existence under the elected leadership. Many have shared in the responsibility for our woes, but more have shared in our successes, and in the hope for a bright and productive future for the UAMCC and the members it serves. I am not going to recriminate, nor will I accuse, I will just say that much of the fine-print work that had to be done, has been done.

The Board of Directors has worked steadily to overcome obstacles that they never could have foreseen, and to meet challenges every day. That work still is not done. We have some serious deficiencies to remedy.

First, we have got to step away, as an organization, from the desire to blame and pick favorites. In hard point of fact, as long as this organization has many members joining because they love one person, or because they hate another, it is doomed to a slow death by inches. As the Bible was paraphrased by Lincoln, "No house divided against itself can stand." This organization needs to be about our shared interests as contractors in the same industry, not about any particular personalities.

Next, we require funds, both to meet our obligations daily, but also to overcome our challenges going forward. I have long maintained that the UAMCC will not prosper without donation by members, and from the outside. Contributions of cash, time, and effort are always welcome, and needed. (an aside here, situations like that of David Vicars currently, present an opportunity for contractors to demonstrate their amazing ability to be generous. Of course I agree that such emergencies surpass the needs of any organization.) We are ready to take your renewals and contributions whenever you may wish.

Last, we have to continue to systematize the way the UAMCC does its business. One of my greatest mentors has always pounded into my head the mantra, "Undercapitalized, and unsystematized is the surest route to failure." I agree, and those have been the points of the Board of Directors' efforts these months since January.

Nobody needs under-the-bus throwing. No member need be removed from the rolls. Contractors need only come together to operate this UAMCC as has always been the intentions of the founders, the Charter Members, and the members at large.

Contractors for Contractors. That's why I am still prouder than ever to be UAMCC.

Look to see more from me here and in your email boxes, but really, feel free to call me or to get in touch some other way. The Directors need to hear from you. We ardently wish to operate in a manner fully compliant with our Bylaws, but we most desperately need people on the board, and in committees. If you have time or suggestions, I want to know, as do all the Directors.

I hope this post will help in the current discussion, and thanks for taking time to read it.

Ron Musgraves
06-01-2010, 01:36 PM
Scott, Thank You So Much For Posting This!!!!!

This is the communication from our President that everyone has been asking for. If the progress moves in the direction that I have been told, the Uamcc will have my total support.


That was to easy Guy...

Carlos Gonzales
06-01-2010, 01:45 PM
I'd like to dip into this thread for a moment...

First, I want to thank everyone that has called, written, pm'd or otherwise contacted me in the last weeks, as well as those who have taken my calls. I know I can be a gusty, long-winded person to speak with, and I appreciate each and every opportunity I have been given by members and others as we work on the UAMCC.

Next, I'd like to thank the folks that have spoken highly of the BOD here. This team has soldiered on through sometimes outlandish opposition and outright accusation to make something better out of the hard work done by the Transition Team. It has been a major undertaking to say the least.

It has been said here, and in other places, that we have had to refound the UAMCC, or to completely rebuild it. This is an overstatement from my point of view, but I can sympathize with the members and Directors who have felt this way. There have been many fundamental challenges.

It is closer to the truth, and I say this as a member of the Transition Team myself, to say that we are trying to finish the job the TT set out to accomplish. This is in no way a criticism of the TT or of any particular member, the accomplishments were there, but the job was unfinished. We are trying to finish the job as we believe will best suit the present members' interests, as well as to preserve the original vision of an association built by, run by, and serving contractors.

Having now been buried up to my neck in the daily operation of this organization, it is easy to look back and see the missteps made by the TT, and to see the weaknesses the UAMCC has suffered from during the trying first months of its existence under the elected leadership. Many have shared in the responsibility for our woes, but more have shared in our successes, and in the hope for a bright and productive future for the UAMCC and the members it serves. I am not going to recriminate, nor will I accuse, I will just say that much of the fine-print work that had to be done, has been done.

The Board of Directors has worked steadily to overcome obstacles that they never could have foreseen, and to meet challenges every day. That work still is not done. We have some serious deficiencies to remedy.

First, we have got to step away, as an organization, from the desire to blame and pick favorites. In hard point of fact, as long as this organization has many members joining because they love one person, or because they hate another, it is doomed to a slow death by inches. As the Bible was paraphrased by Lincoln, "No house divided against itself can stand." This organization needs to be about our shared interests as contractors in the same industry, not about any particular personalities.

Next, we require funds, both to meet our obligations daily, but also to overcome our challenges going forward. I have long maintained that the UAMCC will not prosper without donation by members, and from the outside. Contributions of cash, time, and effort are always welcome, and needed. (an aside here, situations like that of David Vicars currently, present an opportunity for contractors to demonstrate their amazing ability to be generous. Of course I agree that such emergencies surpass the needs of any organization.) We are ready to take your renewals and contributions whenever you may wish.

Last, we have to continue to systematize the way the UAMCC does its business. One of my greatest mentors has always pounded into my head the mantra, "Undercapitalized, and unsystematized is the surest route to failure." I agree, and those have been the points of the Board of Directors' efforts these months since January.

Nobody needs under-the-bus throwing. No member need be removed from the rolls. Contractors need only come together to operate this UAMCC as has always been the intentions of the founders, the Charter Members, and the members at large.

Contractors for Contractors. That's why I am still prouder than ever to be UAMCC.

Look to see more from me here and in your email boxes, but really, feel free to call me or to get in touch some other way. The Directors need to hear from you. We ardently wish to operate in a manner fully compliant with our Bylaws, but we most desperately need people on the board, and in committees. If you have time or suggestions, I want to know, as do all the Directors.

I hope this post will help in the current discussion, and thanks for taking time to read it.


Scott...Outstanding and a much needed update. Thank you for your candor and points above.

What can members do to help?

Trevor Steel
06-01-2010, 01:49 PM
Donate time and money. Renew early if you can!

Carlos Gonzales
06-01-2010, 02:18 PM
Unfortunately I am unable to donate any funds at this time but would be more than happy to help out on a volunteer position. Just let me know what, if anything, I can do.

Jeff LeCours
06-01-2010, 05:03 PM
I flip flop on this all the time. I called Scott just a week or two ago and asked is it time to call it quits, I didnt care about the Org as much as I said it to Scott for him & the BOD that are fighting to make this work, I just didnt know if it was really worth it to them. Scott gave pretty much the same answer he did when I mentioned it a few months ago. He said he made a commitment and he's sticking to it. I know little of whats going on, but I do know a lot that Scott & BOD had to do to straighten things out and he gave me tid bits of what they are trying to do.

I wish you well brother and brothers, you got more strength than I do to soldier through what you have. Just keep people informed and do what you think is best. Best of luck and rock on

A commitment and sticking to it...............says a lot

Guy Blackmon
06-01-2010, 05:06 PM
Trevor, I was going to post something semi negative about this post, but I have been updated on forward movement in the Org. and the work that the Bod and our President Scott Millen have been doing. If the information I have is true, I will throw 100% support behind the Uamcc, that being said I will be watching and will no longer post anything negative towards our Org. or it's Leadership.


That was to easy Guy...



Not really Ron, all the Membership has asked for has been communication from our Leadership, and this has not been the case for several months. There may have been reasons for this. It is my understanding that changes are coming, and true progress will be forthcoming for the Uamcc. This news is what I have been waiting for, for quite sometime. I believe the source of this information.

Steven Button
06-01-2010, 06:26 PM
I'd like to dip into this thread for a moment...

First, I want to thank everyone that has called, written, pm'd or otherwise contacted me in the last weeks, as well as those who have taken my calls. I know I can be a gusty, long-winded person to speak with, and I appreciate each and every opportunity I have been given by members and others as we work on the UAMCC.

Next, I'd like to thank the folks that have spoken highly of the BOD here. This team has soldiered on through sometimes outlandish opposition and outright accusation to make something better out of the hard work done by the Transition Team. It has been a major undertaking to say the least.

It has been said here, and in other places, that we have had to refound the UAMCC, or to completely rebuild it. This is an overstatement from my point of view, but I can sympathize with the members and Directors who have felt this way. There have been many fundamental challenges.

It is closer to the truth, and I say this as a member of the Transition Team myself, to say that we are trying to finish the job the TT set out to accomplish. This is in no way a criticism of the TT or of any particular member, the accomplishments were there, but the job was unfinished. We are trying to finish the job as we believe will best suit the present members' interests, as well as to preserve the original vision of an association built by, run by, and serving contractors.

Having now been buried up to my neck in the daily operation of this organization, it is easy to look back and see the missteps made by the TT, and to see the weaknesses the UAMCC has suffered from during the trying first months of its existence under the elected leadership. Many have shared in the responsibility for our woes, but more have shared in our successes, and in the hope for a bright and productive future for the UAMCC and the members it serves. I am not going to recriminate, nor will I accuse, I will just say that much of the fine-print work that had to be done, has been done.

The Board of Directors has worked steadily to overcome obstacles that they never could have foreseen, and to meet challenges every day. That work still is not done. We have some serious deficiencies to remedy.

First, we have got to step away, as an organization, from the desire to blame and pick favorites. In hard point of fact, as long as this organization has many members joining because they love one person, or because they hate another, it is doomed to a slow death by inches. As the Bible was paraphrased by Lincoln, "No house divided against itself can stand." This organization needs to be about our shared interests as contractors in the same industry, not about any particular personalities.

Next, we require funds, both to meet our obligations daily, but also to overcome our challenges going forward. I have long maintained that the UAMCC will not prosper without donation by members, and from the outside. Contributions of cash, time, and effort are always welcome, and needed. (an aside here, situations like that of David Vicars currently, present an opportunity for contractors to demonstrate their amazing ability to be generous. Of course I agree that such emergencies surpass the needs of any organization.) We are ready to take your renewals and contributions whenever you may wish.

Last, we have to continue to systematize the way the UAMCC does its business. One of my greatest mentors has always pounded into my head the mantra, "Undercapitalized, and unsystematized is the surest route to failure." I agree, and those have been the points of the Board of Directors' efforts these months since January.

Nobody needs under-the-bus throwing. No member need be removed from the rolls. Contractors need only come together to operate this UAMCC as has always been the intentions of the founders, the Charter Members, and the members at large.

Contractors for Contractors. That's why I am still prouder than ever to be UAMCC.

Look to see more from me here and in your email boxes, but really, feel free to call me or to get in touch some other way. The Directors need to hear from you. We ardently wish to operate in a manner fully compliant with our Bylaws, but we most desperately need people on the board, and in committees. If you have time or suggestions, I want to know, as do all the Directors.

I hope this post will help in the current discussion, and thanks for taking time to read it.

Thank you Scott.

John Tornabene
06-02-2010, 01:01 AM
Good post Scott and a big thumbs up keeping us in the know.

Eric Flynn
06-02-2010, 10:02 PM
Thanks for the post Scott.

~Jen

Ron Musgraves
06-03-2010, 09:55 AM
Lets hope this BOD is not affraid to realize what they have done. The members just need to be imformed, your right!! I hope the systems are in place soon to insure these types of things never happen again.

Orgs need to progress even if its only service of new members learning what it takes to make the wheels turn.

UAMCC should focus on what they can and be realistic to the economy and member needs today. The future will come and with the future will bring new ideas to the table.

Getting a directory was long wait. Its not the end all but its a beni that will be solid and will generate awareness of each member equally. Used properly it will even make it more successful.

Smaller obtainable goals is the ticket to success, baby steps!!!

Forget about the pie in the sky dreams right now bring real solid benifits.


That was to easy Guy...



Not really Ron, all the Membership has asked for has been communication from our Leadership, and this has not been the case for several months. There may have been reasons for this. It is my understanding that changes are coming, and true progress will be forthcoming for the Uamcc. This news is what I have been waiting for, for quite sometime. I believe the source of this information.

Guy Blackmon
06-03-2010, 01:11 PM
Forget about the pie in the sky dreams right now bring real solid benifits.

Well Said "Darth Vader"!!!! Hahahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!

Ron Musgraves
06-03-2010, 01:37 PM
Rainbows and unicorns!!!

Mathew Johnson
06-03-2010, 07:19 PM
Well said!

Mathew Johnson
06-03-2010, 07:20 PM
Lets hope this BOD is not affraid to realize what they have done. The members just need to be imformed, your right!! I hope the systems are in place soon to insure these types of things never happen again.

Orgs need to progress even if its only service of new members learning what it takes to make the wheels turn.

UAMCC should focus on what they can and be realistic to the economy and member needs today. The future will come and with the future will bring new ideas to the table.

Getting a directory was long wait. Its not the end all but its a beni that will be solid and will generate awareness of each member equally. Used properly it will even make it more successful.

Smaller obtainable goals is the ticket to success, baby steps!!!

Forget about the pie in the sky dreams right now bring real solid benifits.

Well said Ron!

Guy Blackmon
06-03-2010, 09:37 PM
rainbows and unicorns!!!

you stole my line!!!!!!!! :)

Trevor Steel
06-04-2010, 12:25 PM
that's exactly what we discussed on yesterdays call. We will work to streamline and systemize our communication. Thanks for all your help ron.

Ron Musgraves
06-04-2010, 10:01 PM
that's exactly what we discussed on yesterdays call. We will work to streamline and systemize our communication. Thanks for all your help ron.

Its truly amazing how you feel when something works!!! keep up the hard work your doing, it will pay off and people will be surprised.

Mathew Johnson
06-05-2010, 03:15 PM
Its truly amazing how you feel when something works!!! keep up the hard work your doing, it will pay off and people will be surprised.

Congratulations to all of you on another successful week of progress and advancement of the UAMCC mission statement and goals. Good things will come as a result of your hard work.

Ron Musgraves
05-02-2013, 04:55 PM
Its come a long Way

Tony Evans
05-03-2013, 01:55 PM
It's all about who you have steering the boat. I have to say the current BOD seem to be interested in making this an org for many industries and not just one. Truly the way it should be.