Jeff LeCours
New member
Thanks Ken for making my point. This is exactly what I've been talking about. And from the leadership no less. Priceless.
Jeff, you're taking this too personally. I simply put in writing what I've been telling you for months.
Why does everything have to be "go UAMCC :clap:" to have any value as an opinion? This wasn't an attack on the UAMCC, this was just pointing out flaws in orgs in general. There are SOME things the UAMCC are doing that appear to be going the same direction. If you want the UAMCC to be different from the failed orgs that just end up abusing the contractors then MAKE IT DIFFERENT! I know you can't do that in a day, but at least recognize some of the pitfalls and try to avoid them.
And I don't know where you're hearing all that negative stuff from. I'm not hearing it. I just stated my own opinion. In this area of the country Ron's been trying to tell me to just believe in the benefits and join for months.
I'm just not believing it yet. I don't know anything about anybody giving anyone crap after a RT for joining the UAMCC. It's not coming from out here. There must be something going on in your neck of the woods that I'm not privy to. Is it possible that someone is stirring up trouble by putting a bug in your ear on this? I'm not even sure it's really happening.
Matt, thanks for your response. You made some good points. I've got an increased respect for you now that I know what's involved in putting on a RoundTable. That was the toughest few days of my life.
Carlos, you're trying hard to prove me wrong. Keep doing what you're doing. You are a gentleman. You outclass me in every disagreement and I am humbled by that. I hope we can remain friends through all this.
And Lastly, Ken, you're not a pressure washer either. Your spelling is too good. You even spelled "noobie" right.
Why does everything have to be "go UAMCC :clap:" to have any value as an opinion?
Tony thats silly, but you may not know it, I am part of the UAMCC and I support it, so I am going to voice my support:clap:, but we value all opinions, thats why we have been putting it out to the BB's for over a year, asking for others opinions, good and bad maybe you missed those posts
No I'm not taking it personally, like you said, you've been telling me this for months, in posts on this BB, PM's and calls. I listened for a while and I did value some of your points and value you some of your points in your first post in this thread, but Tony, Its gotten old, real old. You said ALL orgs are useless, so no matter what is done with the UAMCC you are going to be bias and there's nothing I or anyone can say that is going to change your opinion. You can come on here and play it like, Oh this isnt an attack on the UAMCC, oh just pointing out flaws, just trying to help etc etc etc etc. I call BS, you have come on here and trashed the UAMCC on the UAMCC BB, sometimes mild and sometimes strong, but Tony you are trashing it never the less. Look at some of your old post, some of your PM's much of it is trashing (strong arm companies, Union, cannibalism, secrecy, if you "really wanted to raise the bar). Don't bullchit yourself Tony, you have come here to prove YOUR point (your point that you dont like the UAMCC), you've insulted, you stick and jab, you go strong and then back off and on and on. Tony I take questions often from dozens of contractors about the UAMCC, from our members and non members, tough questions at times, but we handle them and move on to the next subject, I just dont think you will ever move on to the next subject so I guess I just dont see any value in listening to it any longer. I am to the point of not caring a rats buttocks about listening to it from you anymore.
Just how I feel, I rather be honest, than just go on back & forth with you on it. Hope you have a nice weekend. I'm going to a wedding where everyone is wearing flip flops and thats the wedding party
Go UAMCC
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