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  1. #11

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    I had six people give me there numbers. They are not willing to post publically and I understand why.

  • #12

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    Quote Originally Posted by John-Clean County PW View Post

    Today that to me no longer matters. Its muddy water under a bridge.
    A lot of $$$... see above quote regarding the total amount
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  • #13

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    add them all together.. double them.. and they will still not equal what Carlos put of his own money into this org. What is your point with all of this.. other than diversion?

    Carlos and George Bush.. yesterday's news. Time to move things forward and stop clinging to blaming past regimes for current day problems.

    What guarantees were given to anyone? What promises of ROI were given? I'm not understanding the issue? If you wanted to see tax returns and get receipts, you should never have given the money in the first place. Look in the mirror, point at it and say "there is a person that made a business mistake". Then let yourself off the hook, you had good intentions and you can rest assured your money was spent on org business. If you have deeper issues, file a lawsuit against Carlos.
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  • #14

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    Quote Originally Posted by PressurePros View Post
    add them all together.. double them.. and they will still not equal what Carlos put of his own money into this org. What is your point with all of this.. other than diversion?

    Carlos and George Bush.. yesterday's news. Time to move things forward and stop clinging to blaming past regimes for current day problems.

    What guarantees were given to anyone? What promises of ROI were given? I'm not understanding the issue? If you wanted to see tax returns and get receipts, you should never have given the money in the first place. Look in the mirror, point at it and say "there is a person that made a business mistake". Then let yourself off the hook, you had good intentions and you can rest assured your money was spent on org business. If you have deeper issues, file a lawsuit against Carlos.
    What Ken is saying is similiar to what I feel. I have lost alot more money in the Dot.com days then I did here. I don't buy what Ken said about Carlos puting more of his own money in the org then what the membership did and also counting the donations. Carlos most likely pocketed in my guestimation around 30-40 grand. For all the headaches he took and the heartache that went with it my guess is he would not have done any of this. His mistake was he didn't delegate and he also wanted total control. Now he is where he is and he can't like it. Carlos has to deal with this. If he is happy how the org ended up well what can you say. I don't think he is and he will never admit it but he should come clean and say "Yea I screwed up some and I should've listen to the BOD's and I learned from it" but he just won't do that. I hope he proves me wrong. Sometimes its good to be wrong and in this case it sure will.

    So take a poll Ron and see what people want to do here. Oh wait the pole thing wasn;t working at least not for me. Once again my guess is that people want to move on. Some have left the org. and some want to give it another go. I say give it another go....

  • #15

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    I don't understand why producing records is such a bid deal. Who has them?

    Is Carlos claiming they are personal?

    Ken, if you were the finance officer for even one day shouldn't you have the records for at least that day?

    What happens when guys get audited and have listed the UAMCC as a business donation? Did no one get receipts? If not why not?

    This is crazy. I've been audited twice and it's no fun having them question everything.
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  • #16

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    Quote Originally Posted by PressurePros View Post
    add them all together.. double them.. and they will still not equal what Carlos put of his own money into this org. What is your point with all of this.. other than diversion? .......
    That's twice in a week I've heard the "diversion" claim. Do you guys get together for talking points like the DNC? What is this diversion from?

    Quote Originally Posted by PressurePros View Post
    If you wanted to see tax returns and get receipts, you should never have given the money in the first place. Look in the mirror, point at it and say "there is a person that made a business mistake".
    I can't believe the great business guru Ken Fenner has just made that statement. Are you losing it? How many donations to non-profits have you given to without taking the legally available tax writeoff. Maybe this is the diversion your are referring to. It's your diversion.

    Quote Originally Posted by PressurePros View Post
    If you have deeper issues, file a lawsuit against Carlos.
    Is Carlos the only one here with blame? How about the Finance officer?

    Sound's like a diversion to me.
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  • #17

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ron Musgraves View Post
    It matters for the future, tax liabilty is serious.

    I know alot of others who did donate past the regular membership fees. Do members know the org is broke and owes money after the transistion.

    We all want to say the documents are availiable to the members. How about the 2008 tax returns. The clearly started taking revenue by donations as early as august 2008, by 2009 un-official membership fee's being collected. By end of March the first members 22 if I remember correct signed up at once.

    That was 7700.00 at one time. Plus donations. A month later in april roundtable #2 signed 7350.00 in revenue. The pace after that 26.6 members per month at an average of 9333.00 per month. for the next 6 months leading to the convention. Thats just a bit under 55,999 dollars to ad to all the donated funds.

    Is was clearly made none of the membership money went to convention fund. 71,049 dollars in total membership from March 2009 to march 2010 plus we are now going to ad donations that I know will total likley another 10,000.

    Its not rocket Science if the money didnt get spent on convention then where did it go.

    The uamcc should have a clear expense sheet itemized for TAX purpose. These sheets should be balance sheets not summarys.

    Providing summary sheets are silly, you can balance a summary from months to month as long as you never show the Final.

    John, I think it does matter.

    I think the supporters deserve and answer once and for all to put a rest to this.

    Its very clear someone has and account of the money. You hired a CPA, the CPA should be able to give these to the oversight committee.

    If the oversite committee thats churping right now wants to truly help the org. Find out these questions, if they cannot be answered then just say.

    you just cant leave it a long can you always have to keep the drama going please leave an go some where else you think people dont know what you are doing you are sadly wrong have a great freaking life ron
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  • #18

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    Ron,

    We have heard all of this for MONTHS. Please stop re-hashing it. You say you are a proponent of the UAMCC and want to see it succeed. If so, let's just keep moving forward. Don't let this be one of those posts that borders on bashing and has to be dealt with via the rules. Thank you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lonnie Greenwood View Post
    you just cant leave it a long can you always have to keep the drama going please leave an go some where else you think people dont know what you are doing you are sadly wrong have a great freaking life ron
    Please explain what you think I'm doing? Love to hear your version.

    Don't the members deserve to know?

    I'm just a hard working volunteer who donated my money. You never asked how much I donated?

    I deserve like anyone does a right to know why this org is broke when the revenue taken in exceeds the expenses each month.

    The Uamcc since jan has not spent 400 or 500 a month if you take out debt thAt was left from last year.

    Lonnie your a contractor representing us, no disrespect but please represent.

    I'm a customer of this org asking the tough questions, just answer them my freind or get the numbers.

    I'm sick and tired of you and others beating around the bush.

    Represent your brothers, telling people to leave is not right. I'm socked , you want my help you ask for my money. You even take alll my benifits and now again when I ask you for help you turn away.

    Nice

  • #20

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beth n Rod View Post
    Ron,

    We have heard all of this for MONTHS. Please stop re-hashing it. You say you are a proponent of the UAMCC and want to see it succeed. If so, let's just keep moving forward. Don't let this be one of those posts that borders on bashing and has to be dealt with via the rules. Thank you.

    Beth
    This has never been dealt with Beth.

    I donated money, it very clear we now know others did as well. Many others donated along with many others.

    These new leaders rebuilt and started this org on less money again in the 90 days. They have more money now then when it was turned over.

    I busted my azz putting people in this org last year. This is witch hunt , it shouldn't be. It should simply be a we will send you the statements over. Will give you and itemized list or donations. Complete revenue tracking for each month.

    Google ads statement, banners revenue, member revenue, distributor revenue & donations all should be listed separate.

    No one here or in any other org should be guessing this?

    Everyone here was told this org would be transparent.

    Let's start today!!

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