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  1. #41

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kristopher Pettitt View Post
    Chris, all your are doing is lying. I've asked repeatedly for to open your eyes and read what I have written. I have never in any of my post said a contractor was or is a polluter. I've used examples and said that we as people in general are polluters. If you read a little more slowly you might actually get it. I'm wasting my time explaining it like you're some kind of child, so go and educate yourself. I couldn't have been any more clearer in my posts and it is not my responsibility to hold your hand.

    Still no questions?
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  • #42

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kristopher Pettitt View Post
    Chris, all your are doing is lying. I've asked repeatedly for to open your eyes and read what I have written. I have never in any of my post said a contractor was or is a polluter. I've used examples and said that we as people in general are polluters. If you read a little more slowly you might actually get it. I'm wasting my time explaining it like you're some kind of child, so go and educate yourself. I couldn't have been any more clearer in my posts and it is not my responsibility to hold your hand.
    I quoted you and posted in red every post where you are calling contractors polluters, criminals or other.

    Maybe you cannot read or cannot read colored words, either way the proof is right there in front of you. Again you are not seeing the proof right in front of you agin, like so many times in the past in other forums.

    Other contractors see the truth also and have commented also, I guess you cannot see their posts either?

    Here we are going again, the truth is there but you don't/can't see it again, like on the other forums.

  • #43

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tony Shelton View Post
    Still no questions?
    He still does not want to see the truth that is right there in front of him, I quoted the posts for him to see but for some reason he cannot/does not want to see the truth that is there and I commented in red but he still does not see them. Why is that?

    I think that whoever is coaching him cannot see the posts so he is just repeating that he cannot see because the person pulling his strings cannot see. Maybe he was not supposed to repeat that part? hahahahaha

    Again we are going through the same nonsense that we went through over at PWI, he is acting like he cannot see the truth, is just mis-directing and bringing up or posting about stuff that has nothing to do with the CWA like you already pointed out Tony.

    That same mentality sure looks like others we have seen in the past over at PWI where the truth was pointed out clear as day but they would not/could not see it even though everyone else could but good thing they are not there anymore so we don't have to deal with their nonsense either.

  • #44

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    Chris, this isn't about Kristopher or his opinions. This is about what the law is.

    The fact of the matter is, congress set out some goals to clean up our waters. The EPA was utilized to implement those goals on a federal level.

    As with just about any government mandate there comes a point where they start seeing diminishing returns and have to start digging farther and farther to justify the funding for enforcement.

    After years and and years of meeting goals they keep moving the goalpost.

    Anyone in Los Angeles can see with their own eyes that the EPA has done a great job at cleaning up air pollution. Regulations are in place that, for the most part, were feasible and were implemented over time in a way that didn't cripple business, but still cleaned up the air.


    Sadly, as with many government mandates, it sometimes reaches the point of the absurd as seen by this article:



    http://www.cbsnews.com/2100-205_162-4651448.html


    For farmers, this stinks: Belching and gaseous cows and hogs could start costing them money if the federal government decides to charge fees for air-polluting animals.

    Farmers so far are turning their noses up at the notion, which they contend is a possible consequence of an Environmental Protection Agency report after the U.S. Supreme Court ruled in 2007 that greenhouse gases emitted by belching and flatulence amounts to air pollution.

    "This is one of the most ridiculous things the federal government has tried to do," said Alabama Agriculture Commissioner Ron Sparks, an outspoken opponent of the fees.




    Gentlemen, we have been presented to regulators as the farting cow. Like the cow, any harm our industry may cause to the environment is so rare and so minuscule it is immeasurable. That is why many stormwater authority personnel haven't even heard of pressure washers. We keep hearing all these stories of contractors who have been fined, yet no one ever produces any evidence of such. Why? Because the situation where a powerwasher creates any harm to the environment is RARE. Very rare.


    We are at fault here because we allowed people who could benefit from stricter rules to represent us before the authorities. While other industries have had strong support for their contractors, we have, by our own laziness, sent in representatives who presented us as polluters.

    We were too lazy to read the law for ourselves. We were too lazy to attend stormwater meetings and thus were blindsided when regulations were put in place that portrayed us as criminals.



    Those days are over. Now we have a diverse group of over 40 committee members thus far who are actively working to change this false perception that has shackled our industry.


    The Clean Water Act has worked and is working. The EPA has done its job from the federal to the state levels to implement regulations that have been successful in cleaning our waterways.

    WE, (powerwashers) are doing the job of trying to keep it that way. We are the first line of defense on the retail end.

    We remove trash, debris, sediment, grease, oils and other things that clog up the stormwater conveyances, put them in the landfill where they belong, and leave a clean environment to work, play, eat and live.


    Without our service the "waters of the US" suffer
    .

    When methods that are impractical or too costly are implemented it results in a tendency for our customers to put our services off or stop cleaning completely as we saw when we were in Houston where ridiculous, cow fart type thinking and enforcement caused contractors to go out of business and retail stores and restaurants to look like third world countries.

    That is not what the Clean Water Act is about. If you will read it you will find that the idea of practical solutions that aren't burdensome was the original intent of Congress when they passed the Act.

    The original intent of the Law was that solutions be "practicable". That means that a solution that requires equipment that raises the cost of cleaning a garage from 5 cents a foot to 24 cents a foot is not a solution at all.

    That means that a solution that leaves more debris and contaminants to wash into the waters of the US from neglect is no solution at all.
    We are part of the solution. Any powerwasher who thinks differently does not have the heart of a cleaner and probably shouldn't be in this business.





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  • #45

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kristopher Pettitt View Post
    Chris, all your are doing is lying. I've asked repeatedly for to open your eyes and read what I have written. I have never in any of my post said a contractor was or is a polluter. I've used examples and said that we as people in general are polluters. If you read a little more slowly you might actually get it. I'm wasting my time explaining it like you're some kind of child, so go and educate yourself. I couldn't have been any more clearer in my posts and it is not my responsibility to hold your hand.
    Kris, just an observation, and I'm not in any way attacking you but........you seem to have a pattern of arguing just for the sake of argument.

    Every human in the world contributes to a certain point to pollution or waste. Driving a car, buying clothes, flushing the toilet, the trash we produce, etc......but that's not what this thread is about, and you know it.

    Tony just put out some good info on understanding the CWA, and then you come in and start splitting hairs. Again the CWA was at first created solely because of the unregulated discharge from Industrial & Municipal systems, and it grew from there with the environmental movement.

    I won't list my qualifications on this subject (most know) but for 12 years I treated more waste water and protected my States waterways more than any other so called expert in our Industry to date........But that's just splitting hairs & has nothing to do with this thread.

    Education doesn't come from copying & pasting quotes from here and there. Education comes from living it and doing it. Being new to pressure washing and or environmentalists regulations.....you have neither....again not a slight, just an observation.

    Just Saying.

  • #46

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    Maybe we need to purge these useless posts where people call contractors polluters, criminals, keep on trying to poison this thread or just keep trying to misdirect it in other directions so it is not helping contractors.

    It is obvious to many here that these actions are not helping but hurting the industry and need to be stopped, it is not a good thing to call contractors polluters, especially without any proof whatsoever.

    I unfortunately am not a moderator here but maybe we need a moderator keeping an eye on these important threads to keep them in the right direction and those that want to poison it, misdirect it or accuse contractors of polluting or calling them criminals should be kept from posting in these important threads and/or get rid of those useless posts that distract, misdirect and accuse contractors from this important thread to keep it going in the right direction.

    It really seems like there is an agenda here with all the accusations and misdirection that is happening here as it is not doing any good whatsoever and just poisoning the thread.

    I agree with Tony's idea of helping the contractors understand the CWA as many have not really read it as it is obvious in this thread itself and posts but many contractors out there want to understand what it really is about and want to protect themselves from vendors and self-titled "industry leaders" from being taught the wrong thing, being lied to and manipulated and from buying equipment that is not needed.

    Great things like this thread will help many contractors from around the country and around the world to understand the right thing to do and the truth of removing pollution when cleaning, not causing it when cleaning, there is a huge difference.

    Thanks Tony!

  • #47

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    Great post Guy!

    Nice to see more people out there seeing the truth and what is happening.

  • #48

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    Kristopher,
    I recently posted some BMP's and regulation in your city where you live and work. Tony Shelton took a lot of time to go over them and we agreed that they are not bad at all. There is a lot of good information there and I suggest you to go over them.
    Also, as Chris said, I highly recommend that you take Jerry's class and get certified as "pollution control specialist". That will help you understand government regulations and get you more high paying jobs. The next class is scheduled in San Diego , October 10th. We'll gladly see you there...
    San Bernardino, CA
    BMP's and regulations : http://www.sbcountystormwater.org/_P...aintenance.pdf

    http://www.waterboards.ca.gov/santaa...t_01_29_10.pdf
    Igor Zaric
    San Diego , CA
    (858) 367 - WASH
    (858) 367 - 9274
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  • #49

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    This all goes back to our Industry being viewed as a major source of pollution by regulators.....I disagree highly with this and the people responsible for "Consulting" AHJ's that we are for the last 15+ years.

    Want pictures of car wash with runoff to storm drains? I got them. Want pictures of charity car washes with runoff going to storm drains? Seen them. Want picture of fire hydrants flushing to storm drains? Got them some where.

    Largest source of pollution to our water ways? Fertilizer run off from farming. Another large polluter? Fecal matter from septic systems, leaching from the ground to waterways. Did you know that fresh water fish have measurable levels of the hormone in women's birth control pills, or the antibiotics humans take?

    COD? BOD? TSS? TDS? DO? etc..etc..etc.. Know what these mean and what effect they have on water quality?

    Yea, educate yourself.

  • #50

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    Great post Guy.

    Back at the refinery we had to pull samples of the tank firewalls to test for cod, tss, tds and many other things before we could drain the firewalls after a heavy rain.

    It is amazing how just plain dirt with grass, insects, bugs, snakes, and wildlife living there in 2000 acres will affect the water after a rain but most of the time it passes. In the times the water did not pass, they just get a vacuum truck to vacuum out the water and take it to the waste water department of the refinery to handle it.

    There is so much about the EPA and CWA that most people out there just don't know but they need to read the CWA so they have a clue and can understand what it is really about.

    I agree about the people consulting with the ahj's, just to make things worse for us and to try to tighten regulations to sell more equipment that is not really needed to do the job in most cities.

    People really need to read the older threads over on PWI, lots and lots of great info about the CWA, the real truth about the CWA, not what the liars and manipulators have been spreading for years to the regulators, city officials, newbies and people that have not read up on it.

    Ron M. has also posted a lot of great info over there about environmentally compliant cleaning where you really don't need special tools or equipment to do most commercial jobs unlike the lies and manipulation that has been spread over the years, the worst part is that there are people still listening to those liars and manipulators and believing them without finding out what is true and what is not true.

    People have been deceived, lied to, manipulated to buy non-needed equipment and had their cities lied to and manipulated for tougher regulations so that you would have to have certain equipment or have your rigs "approved by the city" or other nonsense like that to be working in a city like Houston.

    When people understand the CWA, they realize how things should be and how it is easy to be compliant and not need to purchase extra machinery to do the same job they have been doing as many eyes have been opened, lies exposed and the manipulation exposed so that people can see the truth and now life is much better in Houston. Contractors are not worried about getting fined because now the city officials and regulators know the truth and understand the CWA so illegal fines are not happening hardly, you can wash and not worry about fines and other great things are happening now.

    The truth about the CWA when you understand it answers a lot of questions without needing to even ask them. Common sense helps a lot also in understanding the CWA.

    I hope more contractors read and participate in this great thread as it is showing the truth.

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