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Reclaim LAW’s and Regulations.

Ron Musgraves

Past President
Reclaim LAW’s and Regulations.

SC Carolina is looking at adopting new reclaim Laws for cleaning contractors.

This is not one county but a program through a coalition being pushed by the government.

SC may be the first state in the UNIon to adopt a state wide BMP?

If you don’t want to miss this talk at 1:00pm September 30th at the conventuion center in charleston at the NCE show please get the info and attend free by regsitaring at www.nationalcleaningexpo.com

They are looking now for contractor input; it’s amazing what power we have in numbers. If you care about your industry and lively hood you will not miss this one if you live in SC.
 

Ron Musgraves

Past President
No one Cares

Reclaim LAW’s and Regulations.

SC Carolina is looking at adopting new reclaim Laws for cleaning contractors.

This is not one county but a program through a coalition being pushed by the government.

SC may be the first state in the UNIon to adopt a state wide BMP?

If you don’t want to miss this talk at 1:00pm September 30th at the conventuion center in charleston at the NCE show please get the info and attend free by regsitaring at www.nationalcleaningexpo.com

They are looking now for contractor input; it’s amazing what power we have in numbers. If you care about your industry and lively hood you will not miss this one if you live in SC.
 

Roger Gothorp

New member
You need to go scare non-professionals with this. Those of us in the Carolinas have already "been there done this" - UAMCC & PWNC were there together for the last run.
 

Ron Musgraves

Past President
As you know they attemped to make house washing and deck restoration reclaim. Contractors need to be present and accounted for.

You need to go scare non-professionals with this. Those of us in the Carolinas have already "been there done this" - UAMCC & PWNC were there together for the last run.
 

Roger Gothorp

New member
I'm just saying.....at these events or others where this topic is discussed, the professionals that are attending ARE present and accounted for - and HEARD. Those of us who actively participate in these discussions are worried because we know what we can accomplish.

Something needs to get out to the folks who DON'T frequent the forums or meetings.
 

Ron Musgraves

Past President
I think the PWNC should Write and Email as well as the UAMCC. Truthfully these orgs are here to assist in these matters and this is when they should assist.

I'm just saying.....at these events or others where this topic is discussed, the professionals that are attending ARE present and accounted for - and HEARD. Those of us who actively participate in these discussions are worried because we know what we can accomplish.

Something needs to get out to the folks who DON'T frequent the forums or meetings.
 

Tony Shelton

Environmental Consultant / Past Director
Why aren't we looking into onsite treatment? The NDTDBR (nothing down the drain but rain) claim is false representation of the federal law. Local governments hear that crap and build it into their BMP's because they are uneducated in the law.

WE NEED TO EDUCATE THEM.

This is a PERFECT reason for having a national org. BUT if our own members are going to spout off that NDTDBR lie, then we have no hope. We will eventually be legislated out of business just like they got rid of freon 12 based on a lie. The lie was repeated often enough that everyone took it to be the truth.

There's nothing wrong with full vacuum reclaim if that's what a contractor wants to sell their services based on. It's a financial commitment and should be exploited as such to get more business. It is a step above required compliance in MOST jurisdictions and should be sold as such, not sold as a current "requirement". (except in cities where it IS a current requirement)

Do you guys have any idea how toxic runoff is from new concrete construction in COMPARISON to the miniscule amounts of runoff contract cleaning produces???? ? Yet, the concrete runoff CAN and IS roughly filtered (by gravity) and then LEGALLY sent right down the storm drain. That is because the concrete and construction industry has successfully lobbied and worked towards more sensible restrictions.

How is it that concrete, stucco, paint, and an assortment of other contaminants from construction can be filtered with as little as an oil sock and sent right down the drain, but we think pulling around a carpet cleaner on steroids is the only way we can comply? We have been brainwashed and frightened by the manufacturers AND by those who have SPENT A LOT OF MONEY ON EQUIPMENT and don't want anyone else to prosper based on the actual law.

Is there anyone out there who would care to read the entire CWA (as I have) and please stand with me on this and lets try to do for our industry what the construction industry did for themselves.
 

Roger Gothorp

New member
The "non professionals" will neither comply or could afford the reclaim equipment.
It's not all about reclaim.......most of it is that the ones trying to make up rules just don't get it. That simple.

Now, back to the "non professionals" who don't even make an attempt to comply - if true pros in the industry would embrace working with these rule makers, we could eradicate the non-compliers simply by supporting enforcement of rules that we help to create.

And we need to HELP create them - or better yet, get in front of the train and put bmp's in place before the rule makers get here. What we DON'T need though is for someone to stand up with them and say "uh, just tell us what to do".
 

Tony Shelton

Environmental Consultant / Past Director
Now, back to the "non professionals" who don't even make an attempt to comply - if true pros in the industry would embrace working with these rule makers, we could eradicate the non-compliers simply by supporting enforcement of rules that we help to create.
Celeste, I agree with that statement 100% as long as we have enough restraint to author BMP's that make sense rather than falling for the trap of trying to author BMP's that serve to only line our pockets while intentionally limiting competition.

Whoever is going to post here in regards to this should clarify their stance on government involvement.

I'm going to start a poll in another thread.
 

Ron Musgraves

Past President
Great Post Tony
Why aren't we looking into onsite treatment? The NDTDBR (nothing down the drain but rain) claim is false representation of the federal law. Local governments hear that crap and build it into their BMP's because they are uneducated in the law.

WE NEED TO EDUCATE THEM.

This is a PERFECT reason for having a national org. BUT if our own members are going to spout off that NDTDBR lie, then we have no hope. We will eventually be legislated out of business just like they got rid of freon 12 based on a lie. The lie was repeated often enough that everyone took it to be the truth.

There's nothing wrong with full vacuum reclaim if that's what a contractor wants to sell their services based on. It's a financial commitment and should be exploited as such to get more business. It is a step above required compliance in MOST jurisdictions and should be sold as such, not sold as a current "requirement". (except in cities where it IS a current requirement)

Do you guys have any idea how toxic runoff is from new concrete construction in COMPARISON to the miniscule amounts of runoff contract cleaning produces???? ? Yet, the concrete runoff CAN and IS roughly filtered (by gravity) and then LEGALLY sent right down the storm drain. That is because the concrete and construction industry has successfully lobbied and worked towards more sensible restrictions.

How is it that concrete, stucco, paint, and an assortment of other contaminants from construction can be filtered with as little as an oil sock and sent right down the drain, but we think pulling around a carpet cleaner on steroids is the only way we can comply? We have been brainwashed and frightened by the manufacturers AND by those who have SPENT A LOT OF MONEY ON EQUIPMENT and don't want anyone else to prosper based on the actual law.

Is there anyone out there who would care to read the entire CWA (as I have) and please stand with me on this and lets try to do for our industry what the construction industry did for themselves.
 

Tony Shelton

Environmental Consultant / Past Director
Unfortunately my stance still allows the regular contractor like 95% of us to stay in business. That goes directly in opposition to the manufacturers and distributors who like to take money from the gullible contractors who devalue their business by borrowing from the bank to buy this equipment or only survive because they have money left from dead relatives.
 
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