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RMedbery

New member
I'm certain your aircraft parts you saw differences from one supplier to the next.

Or even your fellow mechanic trying to bandaid something you thought should not be.
Actually there would be jail time for that.
 

Ron Musgraves

Past President
Actually there would be jail time for that.
I was on a plane last week and I noticed they changed the leather rest to a material. The material was cheap.

Another example i was flying on US air and the ac didnt work in the plane for a bit. The Plastic cups they were using had changed brands, the flight people couldnt use them. The heat from the plane had melted them, the attendant said the old ones never melted.

People will always look for cheap junk.

In the service business if you always give quality you will be around.
 

Terry Miller

New member
Ron,
I believe you misinterpreted my eariler post. I said it is good to have companys like yours to do the type of cleaning of dumpsters, etc. We don't do this, because we are a quality-service business. It doesn't mean any less no matter what we clean. The bottom line, is it profitable? I had a painting contractor from Calif. challenge my pricing a few years back. He was getting $75. / hr. Ours is much less. However when all was said and done, he did not make any more then we do. Compare prices. Our insurance was 1/4 his. I spend $2.50 for a gal. of milk. My home in Ohio is worth $160,000. In california it is pushing $1,000,000. The list goes on. No one impresses me by what they charge. $150.00 per hr. in some areas equates to $50.00 / hr. in Ohio. We many times look at the price of things without looking at the actual cost. Check out cars on line. They ask not only your zip code but sometimes what county you live in. That shows how cost vary? Again, we also are a very small company. Size doen't mean anything either. I know of painter who have 80 painters. They just laid off 35. We have five full time total employees. We have never laid anyone off other then 1-2 weeks during the Holidays. Maybe you cannot see the Value of a small company since you have so many years as being very large and having a large expense? I appreciate the very large business in all industrys. This is good. They handle the work we wouldn't do and give me some one to recommend on very large projects. We do recommend large work to qualified companys. This is a benefit to our business and builds our reputation as a company to rely on. I do not charge anything for recommendation either. We share and work together. I hope the UAMCC developes a program for sharing no cost networking. I'd love to recommend a PWer in Fla for a local customer. Someone I know and could rely on. And at not cost or profit to me. This make us more Valuable and reputable to our customers. I hope you did not take my eariler comment as a negative remark. It is ment to be very positive. We all do something different and no one has all the answers. No one is 100% right or wrong. This is why BBS are good. Sharing ideas and information to be of value to all involved. Thank You.
 

Ron Musgraves

Past President
I hope the UAMCC developes a program for sharing no cost networking. I'd love to recommend a PWer in Fla for a local customer. Someone I know and could rely on. And at not cost or profit to me. This make us more Valuable and reputable to our customers.
When stuff is free, that usually what it’s worth!

On the economy is different in your neck versus mine. I don’t think ford or gm cares. That car is the same price.
Neither do commercial customers.

The base is the base and if they can like you or I get someone to do a job for less they will try.

That why I have spent my life educating those customers we are a valuable tradesmen’s and we have a profession. Now I need some people like possibly the Uamcc or some other body that truly wants to raise the standards.

You right, no one will 100% correct...

But if I get to those few and they send the message and raise the standards it will be better for you and everyone else.
 

Terry Miller

New member
Ron,
Does this mean the UAMCC should charge & profit from providing referals? I guess this could be very profitable for the UAMCC? Who would have to pay for this service? Is this a service you could provide? I guess it would have to be someone who knows the ins and outs of the PW business?
I will say, we do not spend the same on vehicles. My father in law retired with 37 yrs at GM. He'd tell you the same. Different cost for different parts of the country.
How would you recommend the UAMCC raise the Standards? Is there a school or individuals qualified to do this? I know the Certifications in the PW industry vary. Some are self made and others are actual teaching and testing. What would an actual certification in the PW industry cost and even look like? Thank you for sharing the ideas and info for building the UAMCC.
 

Matt Bryan

Donating Member
I have always been leery of anything free. There is almost always a catch somewhere and you don't usually find out about the catch until later.
 

Ron Musgraves

Past President
I have always been leery of anything free. There is almost always a catch somewhere and you don't usually find out about the catch until later.
This free is about orgs and people volunteering. Its doesnt work often and usally someone feels they did more and deserve more credit.

Yeah, free is usally not free.

I was talking about stuff that is truly free usally sucks.

I guess theres a difference in free and stuff that is free.

I give stuff free, but people usally get a great service contractor for trying the product.

I have been to grand openings of places they gave free stuff and it taisted good so i went back again and again and again.

I just think the uamcc should charge and develop a great program.
 

Terry Miller

New member
Ron, Matt,
Would you recommend the UAMCC charge for the education and business plans they develop? Would you charge for all networking and basically be a profit organization? I guess the officers should be paid also? Maybe we could get vendors and manufacturers to put up some of the cost? Just wondering how everything free is in your opinion.
"I was talking about stuff that is truly free usally sucks."
This could be a good thing for the UAMCC to make money and have a profitable program for it's members?
I know I pay $500.00 / yr for PDCA and all executive committee members are paid. Some make pretty good money. The CEO also had a caddie for part of his benefits. Thank you.
 

Ron Musgraves

Past President
Ron, Matt,
Would you recommend the UAMCC charge for the education and business plans they develop? Would you charge for all networking and basically be a profit organization? I guess the officers should be paid also? Maybe we could get vendors and manufacturers to put up some of the cost? Just wondering how everything free is in your opinion.
"I was talking about stuff that is truly free usally sucks."
This could be a good thing for the UAMCC to make money and have a profitable program for it's members?
I know I pay $500.00 / yr for PDCA and all executive committee members are paid. Some make pretty good money. The CEO also had a caddie for part of his benefits. Thank you.
If you talk with your folks and PDCA they will tell you that 250 to 350 is spent admin the names alone.

So that leaves 150.00 for other things. Its not enough, people are spending money on education. My kids are costing me alot of money to attend the Schools they are in.

You mentioned about support from dist, yes in every org the associates pay the ticket.

I cant see that happening in PW yet, but if someone builds it they will come.

Please dont be offended by my type, i stink at coveying messages online.

I was disappointed to see you go non-profit. I wanted to see the uamcc stay private.

I suppose if you do things correctly it will work. I just dont want to see you fall in the same boat the PWNA has in the last few years.
 

Terry Miller

New member
Ron,
I was on the National Board for PDCA for 4 years. I actually was the only one who voted against the annual budget for two years running! Out of 50+ votes, I stood alone. However I believe the $ was not there as stated by the board. Isn't the PWNA a profit org.? You started the PWNA didn't you? How are they doing being a profit company? I guess the UAMCC could have been for profit. Maybe making money from members and charging them for all the cost plus paying officers would grow the org. better? Having security for anyone today couldn't hurt. The PDCA does spend over $4,000,000 per year. The CEO is paid well as are all the office workers. That would be goal to work for in the UAMCC? Having a nice bank account can't hurt.
As far as giving references to another PWer, do you believe I should charge for that service? How would I go about that? If I gave a PWer in Fla. a name and number, maybe I should get a referal fee first? I wouldn't know how to do that as I have never charged anyone for a referal. I guess I could charge according to the size of job also? How about multiple jobs? I should become a Broker? That would be a good life! Thank You.
 

Ron Musgraves

Past President
Ron,
I was on the National Board for PDCA for 4 years. I actually was the only one who voted against the annual budget for two years running! Out of 50+ votes, I stood alone. However I believe the $ was not there as stated by the board. Isn't the PWNA a profit org.? You started the PWNA didn't you? How are they doing being a profit company? I guess the UAMCC could have been for profit. Maybe making money from members and charging them for all the cost plus paying officers would grow the org. better? Having security for anyone today couldn't hurt. The PDCA does spend over $4,000,000 per year. The CEO is paid well as are all the office workers. That would be goal to work for in the UAMCC? Having a nice bank account can't hurt.
As far as giving references to another PWer, do you believe I should charge for that service? How would I go about that? If I gave a PWer in Fla. a name and number, maybe I should get a referal fee first? I wouldn't know how to do that as I have never charged anyone for a referal. I guess I could charge according to the size of job also? How about multiple jobs? I should become a Broker? That would be a good life! Thank You.
I was never even on the BOD of the PWNA ever. They are non-profit and are worth a bit at this point.

PWNA history is just that for me history, but you should get some folks on with you guys that know the mistakes they made so you dont follow the same path.

Free doesnt work with anything, The answer on how you would do this would be the million dollar answer Terry.

I'm not even sure other than members networking together will wrok unless its a fundamental motto promoted from with in the org.

I'm not certain and org could remain fair handling leads to its members, people are very mistrusting of others.

Each and every hard working team member now is being looked at by the public, wondering what there hidden agendas are.

Its a shame people just cant accept some folks just want to help and raise the bar.
 

Terry Miller

New member
Ron,
I know Carlos and the Team is working on total transparency. Since March Carlos and I spoke many time of the UAMCC being totally transparent. They should have no problem with that subject. You say the public is looking at the hidden agendas? I'd like to discuss that with anyone. No one ever said that to me this past year. They should contact any team member for the answer to hidden agendas! There are none. Only a fool would say that. I apoplgise about my comment about you and the PWNA. I aparently mis read comments & info on the PWI stating you had a part in running the PWNA.
Do you think an outside source should run a referal group for the UAMCC? Would this be fair? How much could they charge and of course the UAMCC would profit from such an endeavor?
I believing that raising the bar is a tough thing to do. We have single individuals with no experience and individuals like your self with years of experience with 35 employees. How do we make it equal in the offerings? You are way past any basic training and would need specialized training in your business. All in all, raising the bar would take special handling and training I believe. Thank you
 

Scott Stone

New member
I specialize in figuring out how to do stuff that few others want to do. That is my favorite part of the job. For a transfer station, I would do it in a heart beat. There would not even be a question of anything more than price. the two craziest jobs that i have had were to clean teh interior of an ice cream freezer, while it was still in operation, at 20 below, (Yes, it can be done, but is specialized, and you better be ready to replace the packing in your pump) and to clean a sewage treatment plants seperation tanks. (at least I did not have to worry about recovery.)
 

topcoat

Contributing Member
Ron,
I believing that raising the bar is a tough thing to do. We have single individuals with no experience and individuals like your self with years of experience with 35 employees. How do we make it equal in the offerings? You are way past any basic training and would need specialized training in your business. All in all, raising the bar would take special handling and training I believe. Thank you
Terry

I think this is a good assessment. Like you, I came into the pw arena via the paint business, and so I appreciate your take on things. For that reason, I found it unfortunate that you have left the TT. It would have been to the associations benefit to have your continued representation of those who are in the field but are not pw specialists.

As a new contributor to this forum, and (compared to everyone here) an entry level company in the pw field, I am spending time reading all posts to try to learn more about growing this service in my business. I am at once impressed with the professionals in the pw industry and also feeling that it will be more of a daunting challenge to grow my pw service into more than the rudimentary offering that it currently is. Its a tough challenge for the UAMCC to serve both ends of the spectrum. The leadership is there though.
 
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Terry Miller

New member
Scott,
First I have not disapeared. I am working hard on other items today. I will support the TT and UAMCC as long as the goals stay the same as we started the group last march. Thank you for your kind words. I truly appreciate them. The Gentlemen running the program now are a great benefit to the industry. They are doing a great job for us all.
I'd like to address your next subject.
Your Comment,
"I am at once impressed with the professionals in the pw industry and also feeling that it will be more of a daunting challenge to grow my pw service into more than the rudimentary offering that it currently is. Its a tough challenge for the UAMCC to serve both ends of the spectrum. The leadership is there though. "
Back to me,
Everyone on this BBS should be contractors. Whether a 1 man or 35 man shop, we are contractors. I have great friends in the painting industry who vary as we do here. One friend paints Disney Land another paints fences in Bose MT. They all share ideas and help one another. A good friend from Oregon has 85 painters. Heavy industrial. He just laid off 35 men. We all have the same problems and goals.
I started with a pull along HD 2.5 gal. PWer. Hand scrubbing houses, etc. One of my first jobs was cleaning a home on ladders and it took me over 8 hrs. Today I could do that job in 2 hrs with no ladders. Just goes to show there is hope for everybody! LOL Never think you will be rudementary! You are a contractor growing your business. You have challenges and questions that need answered. You may be doing the work all wrong?
The answer is right here. We have educated contractors willing to share and help each other. No one ever knows it all or has all the answers. Some may feel they are the top of the heap, but take a close look at them. They started as most of us and they still have the same problems we do. I'd just recommend to you, "Surround your selves with the best contractors, build your business and differeniate the good from the bad".
Our first year within the PW industry, our business was 8% of our business. This year it will be about 15%. Next year possibly 25%. That is a goal and something to work for. You have the edge on many as you have more to offer. You will clean a home or deck and then paint it! Not too bad is it? Make your goal to be the best PWing company in your area. Buy the right equipment and share info with others. Be a profitable contractor in the PWing industry as we do with the painting industry. I wish you all the best. If I can help you in any way, Please feel free to call. Thank you.
 

topcoat

Contributing Member
Hey Terry

I would like to be in touch. I have been observing from afar your work with the PDCA etc. for years. You've done alot for the paint industry.
 
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