Kristopher Pettitt
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This thread is JUST full of smart alecs.
Ms. Voss is the Information Officer. She is the face of the department and deals with public relations. That is why she was the contact for the PWNA. She simply reached out to them to help advertise a 2 hr workshop for contractors. Robert Hinderliter took this contact opportunity to try to shove his BMPs down their throat the same way he and Jim Gamble did in Nevada.
In Nevada they wouldn't take no for an answer and repeatedly tried to force them to accept his BMPs. Even resorting to threatening them by telling them their current BMPs were illegal and Jim making contact with federal EPA officials in California complaining about Nevada not taking Robert's Bmps seriously.
We AND the pwna have the emails that prove the above statement. I sent them a copy of them myself months ago.
This was an embarrassment to our industry and this latest occurrence is an even worse embarrassment. Now we are not only looked at as incompetent bullies, but are bold faced liars as well.
The PWNA cannot claim ignorance on this. They have all the evidence from Nevada. They knew what Robert and Jim are capable of yet chose to unleash them on Orange County.
At best it is complete incompetence. At worst it is a contrived effort to make us look like an industry of idiots to further prove the need for BMPs that are made for the lowest common denominator instead of being based on the fact that we are intelligent contractors.
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This thread is JUST full of smart alecs.
Nah...just me....
Tony you have some of the information.... not all. Unless you have the full picture all your stating is speculations. I doubt that we'll ever get the fulll story or what has really been going on unless OC watersheds decides to make an official statment themselves. So I guess in the end we'll never know.
Kris, I really think you got it all wrong. You actually can have intelligence and be a smart alec. You just have to be able to choose which one to use when. Sometimes you can have two things to say, the real answer the questioner is asking, and then the one you really want to give. Usually the smart alec answer comes out when you know the person you are answering too will A) ALWAYS DISAGREE NO MATTER WHAT, or, B) can actually find the answer he's asking very well on his own, so therefore the answerer is actually helping the person better himself, or C) the person answering could care less about the opinions or advice that is about to come forth from the questioner.
Hope this helps.
Well said Doug.
Kris, Allisons responses on PWI answered the questions but since you are banned there it's safe to say you don't have all the information. Your remarks about the UAMCC despite being a member are very disturbing. If that's your opinion of the org you really have no business being a part of it.
The Uamcc is the most respected org in this industry. The reason are because 9 men an over 300 donating members participate. They work hard each day to grow there business an rely on the volunteers to help them. We stand committed to fighting anyone we can for contractors business men an our associates. We are the strongest because there isn't another like us. Hiding behind let's all be professional are the pacified losers who have run our industry no place.
Quote me that!! the president united association of contract cleaners.
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Do you sincerely believe that as a Vice President of a national org that being a smart alec is a representing the UAMCC in the best professional light? You are right Doug there is a time and a place that you could be a smart alec and behave like child, however this is not the time nor the place. Another question for you Doug. When you meet a high corporate person (say for an estimate) what is your expectation of them? Do you expect him to wag his finger at you and say smart alec things, or do you expect him to be the professional he is?.......... you know I just realized something as I was writing that. Maybe I expect to much from The BOD. Maybe I expect more from you Doug, more from Ron, more from Tony, and more from the entire BOD because I see this org as a national org. Maybe I just need to stop thinking of it as that, because it's just not ready to put at that level right now. When you write on here you are writing as The Vice President of a national org, or do you not get that? Think about it.